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Action Aid - no such thing as a biological female

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Apileofballyhoo · 15/07/2020 16:48

Has this been posted already? It's from an email they sent. I saw it on Twitter so I'll be back with links.

Action Aid - no such thing as a biological female
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Apileofballyhoo · 16/07/2020 01:42

@OldQueen1969

I am beginning to think this is the biggest intentional psychological warfare campaign / psy op ever perpetrated, and frankly alongside my confusion, and mounting anger, a frisson of genuine, gut wrenching fear is brewing.

All the word salad, circular arguments and downright lies seem so calculated - while the term gas-lighting may be over-used, it really does seem to encapsulate the tactics being used.

Do these charities, corporations and other organisations truly believe this stuff or is it a cynical and financially motivated bandwagon jumping exercise?

I have been dipping into the thread on AIBU where there is a google image link to miles and miles of the most awful violent de-humanising hate speech directed at women by TRAs that I have ever seen.... I'm 51, I've been around the block, I've experienced sexism, misogyny and being kept in the bloody gender box, and I don't scare easy, but this - I can't begin to articulate my dismay at what is going on in the name of a statistically tiny number of people who have been mainly supported and included by women and the legal system for years without much issue and now war has been declared because no matter how much they are validated for their identity it's never enough..... but no amount of discourse from women is considered worthy of consideration.

I should probably step away - but I'm scared that if I turn my back for a minute I'll miss some horror that will further diminish women.

This is just - beyond words.

That's an excellent description of how I feel too.
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MrsTerryPratchett · 16/07/2020 01:44

Haven't RTFT but wanted to suggest the Fistula Foundation. fistulafoundation.org/

They appear to know who they serve, good ratings and return on donation, and it is utterly life-changing to women who would otherwise suffer physically, psychologically and socially.

Apileofballyhoo · 16/07/2020 01:44

You can identify as a man too, but men won't take you seriously and won't be bullied into doing so. See primogeniture.

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ShinyFootball · 16/07/2020 01:52

Is this definitely true?

I looked on Twitter and couldn't see anything.

Does anyone have links?

Packingsoapandwater · 16/07/2020 01:59

I am beginning to think this is the biggest intentional psychological warfare campaign / psy op ever perpetrated, and frankly alongside my confusion, and mounting anger, a frisson of genuine, gut wrenching fear is brewing.

I've said recently on here that I'm starting to be convinced that this is the outcome of psychopathic trolls trying to land a blow against society and a Brewsters Millions-style wager between bored Silicon Valley billionaires. Only it's got way out of hand because the concept pulled in people who had really rather serious psychological issues at a time, and with a subject, where swift dismissal was perceived as inappropriate.

You just cannot live in reality and believe these kinds of statements. It's impossible. Biological sex is one of the fundamental building blocks of the human experience; trying to pretend otherwise is like trying to convince people you actually see through your teeth and hear through your nose.

And if you do believe it, then as Abigail Shrier has revealed, you have been indoctrinated by a cult.

I used to wonder how certain things in history had happened, how ordinary people had found themselves in an environment where certain types of people were akin to parasites or animals. Now I know how it happens because it is happening right now: how the frog slowly boils, how you can't quite believe that really what they mean because it's so ridiculous, how you think people must be mistaken, how you can't understand why no one in a position of political power is tackling the insanity.

The whole thing is totally undermining society. I now find myself not trusting all manner of civic institutions. I'm wary of the police these days, despite doing nothing remotely illegal. I'm wary of people's motivations, the media, charities, contacting my elected representatives, schools, universities: the list goes on.

cheeseismydownfall · 16/07/2020 06:48

OldQueen1969, sometimes I feel that too. That by engaging in these issues there may be even more at stake than friendships and jobs. That there may come a time when our electronic footprints are used against us to persecute us, or worse. Then I shake my head, dismiss it, push it to the back of my mind and hope for the best. But the feeling is still there deep down.

Packingsoapandwater, I agree. I remember at school I just never understood how the nazis rose to power on the back of propaganda and political savvy. My only way of explaining it to myself was that things - people - must somehow have been 'different' then, less civilised, less reasonable. Now it is all to obvious how it can happen.

Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late.

NotTerfNorCis · 16/07/2020 07:19

I'm a long time supporter of Action Aid and haven't received this mail (yet).

TheElementsOfMedical · 16/07/2020 07:36

Action Aid? Seems more like Kool Aid!

No. Words.

littlbrowndog · 16/07/2020 07:39

An explanation of where it came from

medium.com/@sarahvphillimore/denied-5643ebc184f6

NotTerfNorCis · 16/07/2020 07:45

Charities and women's rights campaigners know that women and girls are treated the way they are (female infanticide, FGM, denial of education, early marriage etc) because they are biologically female. At the same time, these organisations feel compelled to take on this toxic ideology. I hope they can live with the cognitive dissonance, or their campaigning is likely to be overwhelmed and destroyed by genderist crap.

DickKerrLadies · 16/07/2020 08:06

From: www.actionaid.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/within_our_reach.pdf

Sandhya Limbu is 31, married with three daughters aged nine, eight and four years old. She lives in Nepal.

Sandhya says that women have to be responsible for doing all the unpaid care work at home because of tradition. Men have been given freedom not to carry out household chores and the work is considered the responsibility especially of the daughters-in-law. “If people in society see men doing housework, they immediately make comments about how the wife is enjoying herself while making her husband do the chores.” For the same reason, Sandhya feels that men are considered superior to women and hence, they can scold their wives.

What the fuck have Action Aid been doing if they didn't tell her that she was just identifying into having to do all the chores and be inferior and be scolded by her husband.

It can't be anything to do with her sex, as Action Aid believe that doesn't exist, so it must be her undefinable, internal sense of her womanlyness that causes this inequality.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 16/07/2020 08:09

The whole thing is totally undermining society. I now find myself not trusting all manner of civic institutions. I'm wary of the police these days, despite doing nothing remotely illegal. I'm wary of people's motivations, the media, charities, contacting my elected representatives, schools, universities: the list goes on.

Yes. Same here. Not to mention afraid to say what I think in case friends and family denounce me.

It's dystopian.

IdrisElbow · 16/07/2020 08:19

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DickKerrLadies · 16/07/2020 08:22

So, either they genuinely believe that biological sex doesn't exist and that our internal feelings are what determine our gender and whether we happen to identify as the gender that gets raped more and paid less... or they just want to #bekind and use 'inclusive language' in that 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink oh my what a lovely outfit you're wearing Emperor' way.

Neither is a good look really, is it?

justanotherneighinparadise · 16/07/2020 08:31

@Packingsoapandwater

I am beginning to think this is the biggest intentional psychological warfare campaign / psy op ever perpetrated, and frankly alongside my confusion, and mounting anger, a frisson of genuine, gut wrenching fear is brewing.

I've said recently on here that I'm starting to be convinced that this is the outcome of psychopathic trolls trying to land a blow against society and a Brewsters Millions-style wager between bored Silicon Valley billionaires. Only it's got way out of hand because the concept pulled in people who had really rather serious psychological issues at a time, and with a subject, where swift dismissal was perceived as inappropriate.

You just cannot live in reality and believe these kinds of statements. It's impossible. Biological sex is one of the fundamental building blocks of the human experience; trying to pretend otherwise is like trying to convince people you actually see through your teeth and hear through your nose.

And if you do believe it, then as Abigail Shrier has revealed, you have been indoctrinated by a cult.

I used to wonder how certain things in history had happened, how ordinary people had found themselves in an environment where certain types of people were akin to parasites or animals. Now I know how it happens because it is happening right now: how the frog slowly boils, how you can't quite believe that really what they mean because it's so ridiculous, how you think people must be mistaken, how you can't understand why no one in a position of political power is tackling the insanity.

The whole thing is totally undermining society. I now find myself not trusting all manner of civic institutions. I'm wary of the police these days, despite doing nothing remotely illegal. I'm wary of people's motivations, the media, charities, contacting my elected representatives, schools, universities: the list goes on.

Honestly you’ve just articulated how I feel absolutely perfectly! Even down to how I now feel about the police. I too look back at historical events and now understand the power of a drip, drip of propaganda.
jinxyminxy · 16/07/2020 08:53

Plan International seem to still be fighting for women and girls. Or, at least, I've not read anything on their website to suggest that they've moved away from their Because I'm a Girl campaign.

StuffThem · 16/07/2020 09:08

From their period poverty website;

Missing out on an education can have a devastating impact on a girl’s life. It means she ismore vulnerable to violence, abuse, child marriage and early pregnancy.

But an ActionAid project has changed Sylvia’s life. ActionAid has helped local women learn how to make safe, re-usable sanitary pads, and has given them free to girls at school. Now, Sylvia can keep going to school during her period.

I'm so confused as to how they think having a period happens if there's no such thing as biological sex?

justanotherneighinparadise · 16/07/2020 09:17

I’ve seen it on other charitable websites. Women are allowed to exist abroad but age no longer allowed to exist in the UK. I assume because they understand that word salad means nothing if you live in a developing country. It’s almost quite prejudice if you think about it a while longer. Are we saying that those in developing countries are too ignorant to understand that women can have penises too? Not sure! 🤔

SerenityNowwwww · 16/07/2020 09:20

We just need to ask now - we choose where we spend our money, so choose a charity with ethics and common sense. If ones such as this are being coerced/bullied into promoting/supporting nonsense then why is this?

littlbrowndog · 16/07/2020 09:30

But how can they allow themselves to be bullied.

What will happen to them if they don’t allow themselves to be bullied

Nothing

SerenityNowwwww · 16/07/2020 09:32

Emotional blackmail. Dodgy stats. Orchestrated Twitter campaign.

hellandhairnets · 16/07/2020 09:44

OldQueen1969 and Packingsoapandwater you have both articulated perfectly exactly how I feel and what's been clear to me for some time now. It is both about dismantling women's rights systemically and it is about mass gaslighting and authoritarianism in the wider sense.

The whole thing is far too "smart" and systemic and involves too much power not to have been deliberate, in my opinion. It is extremely scary and sinister.

Question is, what do we do about it and are we going to be able to successfully fight back when there is so much power, media influence and years of behind-the scenes manipulation behind what's going on? I keep thinking sunlight will work, and to some extent it does (thank you, JK) but a horrifying number of intelligent people (media, politics) are also being revealed to be so wedded to the ideology that they double down even when all is exposed to the light.

SorryAuntLydia · 16/07/2020 09:48

I’ll be writing to ActionAid later today.

I define money as anything that I identify as money. Allowing self-definition of currency is a basic human principle. I understand there is no such thing as ‘valuation ’, and that an amount of coins doesn’t determine it’s worth. As such, I’ve used the word donation not cash, and include magic beans, sand, and air in my definition of money. I also recognise that some organisations discriminate against some currencies.

I hope this helps and look forward to sending you my next donation - a big skip of sand.

ValancyRedfern · 16/07/2020 09:54

Yes. hellandhairnets I've been surprised ans saddened by the number of friends who simply refuse to consider anything outside the Twaw line. They genuinely think I am being horrifically transphobic and talking about prisons, DV shelters, detransitioners is all a 'dog-whistle'. I feel completely powerless when robust evidence is dismissed as hate by otherwise intelligent people.

user8412 · 16/07/2020 09:55

Name change because this is outing but I've been doing a monthly donation to a charity that specifically focuses on girls in Tanzania for a couple of years now. A volunteer for them came and did a presentation at DDs school and she said that, unlike the big charities, they don't have any paid staff or overheads in the UK so all the money is guaranteed to go directly to the projects they fund. I think it was set up by a Tanzanian woman and she has a few volunteers in the UK who help fundraise for her. I got an email from them a month or so ago saying their funding has been quite badly affected by the pandemic so they could probably do with the donations right now.

Anyway this is their website www.kygn.org