JKR has retweeted Times article re detransitioning

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For anyone on twitter, it's time for another round of likes and support.

And a reminder to check your previous likes.

I think the percentages here are important. I wouldn't necessarily trust that they are just 1 or 2%, but if that's correct, well it makes a difference compared to a bigger percentage.

It's more reasonable to help adults transition via medical intervention if (1) they probably aren't going to regret it, and (2) their mental health isn't harmed as a result, or doing so (on average) is the best possible outcome for people.

If you're removing breasts, and there is a 30% chance of the woman regretting it, rather than 1%, then that has to make things more ethically murky.

No-one has any idea whether it's 1% or 90% - there doesn't appear to be any follow up of anyone who "transitions" - whatever that means - so we have no idea what the long-term outcomes of hormone treatment and/or surgery are.

Obviously, if trans organisations - Mermaids and the like - gave even the tiniest of shites about this they would back research in the area. As it is, not only do they not fund research, they actively oppose it. Studies should be done following up all patients, not just the ones who appear to be happy and who continue to attend.

Whatever happened to James Caspian does anyone know? It's now well over two years since his research proposals were turned down; has anyone else been allowed to do any proper, independent, research in the area?

Have no idea when this new form of desistors will be studied. What troubles me is the professionals did have the old studies that showed, what was it, 50-80% desisted?

It's terrifying to consider because, if proven, social contagion as a factor would, I think, mean more regret, not less.

Just link me where to look, please, and I'll be right on it.

The "it doesn't matter because it's only a few people" brigade

These type of people INFURIATE me and I came across one woman in my acquaintance circle who spouted BS like this, later I found out the their child identified as trans and they were deep in Mermaids indoctrination. They truly see detransitioners, most of who went through this ordeal as children as 'collateral damage' and dont take the danger seriously.

Mind you, this person made a fb post calling Ricky Gervais 'Transphobic' after he mocked Yaniv for demanding to be seen by a gynocologist and after I asked her if she knew who she was defending, she said no and asked for links which I provided. She then went on to say how this was a 'one-off' incident as if all the women affected by this gross individual didnt matter.

Funnily enough a few months after this interaction I heard that my other friends, who I knew this person through, had decided to part ways with her as she was too up her own arse and her trans orthodoxy made them uncomfortable especially in regards to children. Thank God for common sense.

@FloralBunting

I think the 'just stop' replies remind me of that indolent stage a toddler gets to when they've tantrummed for a while to no avail and screamed themselves hoarse.

"Why won't the woman shut up? I'm bored of screaming, it usually works quicker."

I’ve been trying to place what the “please stop” responses reminded me of. I’ve just got it - hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/02/please-stop.html

These type of people INFURIATE me angry and I came across one woman in my acquaintance circle who spouted BS like this, later I found out the their child identified as trans and they were deep in Mermaids indoctrination.

I had a similar discussion with an idiot online. The thread was about a trans woman raping women in a women's prison. Apparently, this isn't common so we shouldn't exclude all TW because of a few bad uns.

They then said that women rape women in prison anyway (I think the law defines rape as penetration with a penis, so not sure how they're managing that) therefore it makes no difference if we throw some men into the mix

I couldn't even dignify it with a response. It's scary that people think like this.

The 1-2% figure is clearly an underestimate. It is the result of a study carried out at a gender clinic where they did a sampling of their patient files to see how many of the people in their records had told them they had detransitioned.

They didn't actually get in touch with any of the patients if they'd lost contact; they were just seeing if the current record said they'd detransitioned. So anyone who had detransitioned without telling the same gender clinic and getting that recorded by them would not have been counted.

Their methodology was: "Patient assessment reports created between August 1st 2016 to August 1st 2017 were scanned electronically for words related to detransition or regret. The reports that were retrieved in the search were reviewed by study authors to identify evidence that patients had detransitioned or expressed regret related to their transition."

So not even a proper sampling - just a text search. Much scientific method.

It's slightly reassuring that this "research" didn't actually make it into a proper academic paper, as far as I know. (It was a poster in the foyer at a trans health conference.)

I guess the number is reasonable as a lower bound, just as the strictest Iraq Body Count of fully-documented deaths gave you a lower bound. But it's not telling you that detransition rates are "1% give or take a bit", it's "at least 1%, but very hard to say how much higher".

My understanding is that 2% have surgical detransitions. That is, a second round of surgery to change back. Which will massively underestimate the nos and also proportion that detransition.