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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why is British media so transphobic?

70 replies

Bluebooby · 11/07/2020 12:16

"The other path through which many British women have taken up a particularly transphobic ideology is, somewhat incongruently, the parenting website Mumsnet. The idea that a forum on which women talk about diaper rash would produce a wave of TERFs sounds a bit off, but in the U.K. this has reached the status of conventional wisdom."

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Stevienickssleeves · 11/07/2020 12:19

I mean...that site is full of trash articles. I can't bother my arse getting upset about it.

Bluebooby · 11/07/2020 12:19

Why a forum predominantly dedicated to the results of one the most obvious biological distinctions between men and women would be full of people with a basic understanding of biology, I am not sure.

But is it true that the British are leading the way on this? I've heard it said before, but if so then why?

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Bluebooby · 11/07/2020 12:21

I'm sure it is full of trash. I have never read this site before and I barely read the article tbh, it was shared in a group I'm in. I am mostly curious if it's correct about Britain.

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Doyoumind · 11/07/2020 12:23

I'm not going to read the article but anyone who says that clearly has not come across The Guardian or the BBC, amongst many others.

Stevienickssleeves · 11/07/2020 12:25

I hop britain are ahead of the curve and that canada and ireland are going to catch on too. I do think this is a problem of the more individualistic cultures and societies though, this rampant identatarianism, and a side effect of being told you can be anything you want to be. Unfortunately that is just not true.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 11/07/2020 12:26

Is there any comparable (size wise) forum of predominantly women in other countries?

Or is it that Mumsnet won't be cancelled, so it's a big target of the vocal TRAs?

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 11/07/2020 12:29

The astonishment that women could both worry about a baby with a rash AND care about regulatory capture of government and large organisations by an ideology committed to the erasure of women and the mutilation of children.

Identity politics has taken such a hold because there appears to be a prevailing view that women are the human embodiment if those little floor cleaning robots.

As to why Britain? i wonder if its to do with the existence of FWR. There was already a place where women gathered to talk about their issues, so they had a head-start on spreading the word. A critical mass of stroppy women, already with a head of steam.

CaptSkippy · 11/07/2020 12:31

Who gets called "transphobic" for displaying similar attitudes is also very sexist. For example John Cleese can say something about biological sex and it's all fine. However, J.K Rowling gets threats of violence for saying basically the same.

This is just misogyny in a different dress.

SuckingDieselFella · 11/07/2020 12:31

Yes, the British media is transphobic. That's why BBC employees were asked this week to put their pronouns in e-mails. Confused

OP, you can research some basic facts or you can be abusive. It's your choice.

Herja · 11/07/2020 12:32

I don't know. I found that article quite funny. With just a tiny bit more, it could almost be a parody...

Herja · 11/07/2020 12:34

What's really funny, is that it accuses the Guardian of trans phobia Grin. Cheered me right up that did.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/07/2020 12:37

The astonishment that women could both worry about a baby with a rash AND care about regulatory capture of government and large organisations by an ideology committed to the erasure of women and the mutilation of children.

Pure sexism. Why don't mothers spend more time speaking about domestic issues instead of politics? It's the Harry Enfield "Women: Know Your Place" sketch writ large. It was supposed to be a parody, kids.

And the need to silence women who speak about their rights, or allow them to be talked over by male people of any gender identity, is pure misogyny.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/07/2020 12:38

What's really funny, is that it accuses the Guardian of trans phobia

Hilarious. That was that One Article that presented balanced arguments about the GRA that the US Guardian didn't like, I'll bet Grin

Goosefoot · 11/07/2020 12:44

@Ereshkigalangcleg

What's really funny, is that it accuses the Guardian of trans phobia

Hilarious. That was that One Article that presented balanced arguments about the GRA that the US Guardian didn't like, I'll bet Grin

You see the same about the BBC from certain people, and I'm always like ????
RoyalCorgi · 11/07/2020 12:46

The idea that a forum on which women talk about diaper rash would produce a wave of TERFs sounds a bit off

They don't even bother disguising their misogyny, do they?

Stevienickssleeves · 11/07/2020 12:47

The word transphobia is so overused it had literally lost its meaning. It can be anything from actual hatred and violence to simply using the word "woman".

FloralBunting · 11/07/2020 12:53

"Women are talking about babies and menial tasks. That, I understand. Why would they also be talking about big political issues too. that sounds a bit off. it must be some sort of sinister agenda. Women would never do this unless they were being influenced by powerful men."

Ah, MRAs. Always underestimating women. I know female oppression by patriarchy is a thing, but if anything is Patriarchy's Achillies Heel, it's their contempt for women. It means our collective organizing and successes blindside the arrogant fuckers every time.

AskDan · 11/07/2020 12:54

OP...this thread might answer your questions
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Thelnebriati · 11/07/2020 12:55

It was written in Nov 2018 and has been archived 35 times, which is unnecessary as its a static page. I wish people would check to see if an article has been archived first. I know its an extra step but it only takes a second.

web.archive.org/post/6536/british-feminists-media-transphobic

wellbehavedwomen · 11/07/2020 13:12

That logic boils down to a very basic refusal to accept that trans people are the gender that they say they are rather than the one that they were assigned at birth. For the self-styled “feminists” who follow it, this manifests in a refusal to accept that trans women are women, and thus that their presence in “women’s spaces” such as changing rooms, rape crisis shelters, and gender segregated hospital wards, is not a threat.

Yes, we refuse to accept a claim (that male people can become female people, and solely by saying, "I am a woman" and immediately pose no risk to women at all) when that claim is contradicted by the actual data on crime rates. Male people are a fucking threat; pretending otherwise just puts women in harm's way. Either you care that male people (nothing to do with trans; trans people are no more likely to harm anyone than anyone else of their biology) are a risk to female people, and therefore we need single sex spaces, or you don't.

It's also very tiresome to have the accusation of transphobia flung around, each and every time women point out that no, we don't identify as a doormat. If sex weren't under threat as a criteria, and women weren't having their right to sex-based provision threatened, there'd be no dispute at all, other than the quality of care given to gender questioning young people needing to be infinitely better (which is hardly an issue being raised solely by us).

I do like the suggestion that modern gender theory is akin to homeopathy, though. Very apt; I could not agree more.

Chloemol · 11/07/2020 13:12

It’s not all British media though, so your title is very misleading

wellbehavedwomen · 11/07/2020 13:14

@RoyalCorgi

The idea that a forum on which women talk about diaper rash would produce a wave of TERFs sounds a bit off

They don't even bother disguising their misogyny, do they?

Well, in fairness they do lobotomise all women as they leave the birthing room.
wellbehavedwomen · 11/07/2020 13:15

[quote Thelnebriati]It was written in Nov 2018 and has been archived 35 times, which is unnecessary as its a static page. I wish people would check to see if an article has been archived first. I know its an extra step but it only takes a second.

web.archive.org/post/6536/british-feminists-media-transphobic[/quote]
That comes up as a dead link, for me?

bitofasleuth · 11/07/2020 13:15

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Some adult humans have two X-chromosomes, and others have one X and one Y.

It is not being transphobic to point this out.

It is an unassailable biological fact, and is determined at the point of conception.