Should a 'special' group of people be allowed to hide their criminal history?

[NonnyMouse1337]

As a society, we should be reframing the melodramatic and mindless slogans from the trans privilege lobby into sensible questions worthy of national debate.

I propose some questions:

Should a 'special' group of people be allowed to hide their criminal history?

Is it evidence of prejudice, 'phobia', and discrimination if they are unable to do so?

Is this a human right?

If it's a human right, surely it should apply to all humans?

In 2018, a transwoman declared an intention to bring a judicial review to enable them to delete two crimes they committed 'as a man' because otherwise it would be 'outing' them. I wonder if they managed to go ahead with the judicial review? Be interesting if anyone was able to find out.

Article below.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-offender-seeks-to-wipe-crimes-as-aman-from-record-qfk5w68lb

Trans offender seeks to wipe crimes as a man from record

September 09 2018

A transgender offender is seeking to delete from her record two crimes that could only have been committed by a man.

“I do not wish my gender history to be more widely known and do not wish to disclose my trans status to employers,” the woman, who asked to be identified only as Helen, said. She wishes to launch a judicial review to remove two convictions for “importuning as a man” when she worked at a Soho “clip joint” in the 1970s and 1980s.

A right to removal, if established, could cover rape, another crime that can legally be committed only by a person with a penis.

Trans people with a gender recognition certificate are legally entitled to keep their birth gender secret.

Helen’s barrister, Claire McCann, said disclosure of offences that revealed Helen’s birth gender in criminal record checks was “severe and discriminatory interference with Helen’s right to respect for her private life”.

Christopher Stacey, director of Unlock, a support group that is backing the case and seeking other potential claimants, said the law risked “outing” transgender people.

However, Nicola Williams, of Fair Play for Women, said any change would open up a “huge loophole” whereby sex offenders could transition to “wipe out” their crimes.

● This article was amended on November 8 2018 to make clear that Helen is not currently bringing a judicial review application but wishes to do so.

I don’t think women will get a free pass somehow. It’s not the way it works.

How is it justice for the victim when it is then denied that the crime ever took place? Where is the victim’s voice in this? What happens if the victim then says ‘they assaulted me’ to the press, do they get done for slander as if it never happened? Does the press just say ‘shush’ to the victim? What if they haven’t been charged yet?

So could someone then get a conviction for something that happened to them before transition?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5440153/Trans-convict-invited-speak-House-Lords.html

Oh. My. God.

Every time I think I've seen most things in the trans 'debate' something comes along and throws me off. Did no one ever think to carry out some basic research before inviting this person to the HoL?!

@NonnyMouse1337

I think that the people that invited her clearly stated that they don't care about her past/convictions, whether or not they knew about them before she was invited.

[quote Facefullofcake]@NonnyMouse1337

I think that the people that invited her clearly stated that they don't care about her past/convictions, whether or not they knew about them before she was invited.[/quote]
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One of the things that really got me is that before I found out who she actually was, I fully swallowed everything she told me - she was a butch lesbian who was also an equality campaigner, getting paid gigs for e&d training with public sector services like the ambulance service. I talked to her about my experiences of sexual assault, she told me about hers.. but forgot to mention she was a fucking perpetrator as well as a victim. I actually asked her if she'd run for our local rape crisis in a half marathon :ffs:

I found out everything just after she did the HOL talk. To say I felt a bit misled and disgusted with myself for being so naive is an understatement. I was absolutely horrified to find out that her past was just being completely dismissed and that she was being put in the stunning and brave category, as it were.

I'll also add that until that point I was full on TWAW; I think that it's taken a lot of scales falling from my eyes (and reading the feminism boards here) to get to where I am now, I've not said this anywhere before but I think I'm in camp GC.

If the law is changed surely the risk to others is rather more than the risk to the trans individual ...?

Oh gosh Facefullofcake that must have been hard!! A bit misled is an understatement!! It's not your fault though. I would have probably done the same in similar circumstances.

I was never full on TWAW but I did try to be very sympathetic and supportive of trans people. I had a very naive idea in my head of what a trans person was and didn't give much thought to what 'trans rights' actually meant or involved. I just wanted trans people to be able to live their lives, and still do. But like any demographic, there will be lovely trans people as well as truly awful ones, manipulative ones and even criminals. And rather than campaigning for their own separate provisions and identity, the trans lobby and their activists are determined to colonise and erase women as a category and erase our rights and protections. There's no way I can be on board with that.