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Standing For Women: Jackie Doyle- Price MP, "My message to women everywhere is use your voice and tell your MP what what you think...

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R0wantrees · 10/07/2020 21:44

Important interview with Kelie-Jay Keen.

Jackie Doyle-Price MP has already spoken out in parliament on the need to protect women's rights & Safeguard children. The interview concludes with Jackie Doyle-Right urging women to write to their MPs.

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K-J K "How do people approach their mp? What do you think would be your advice ?"

J D-P "Well, write to your MP, but I can tell you that MPs pay a lot of attention to what arrives in their inbox. You know I get upwards of a hundred items a day.
You'll find that some campaign organizations are very good at organizing campaigns. Actually I don't take any notice of any of those. Everyone sends the same letter, completely useless! So you just go through the motions responding to that.
But, where people write their own letters and make their own case and it is the individual constituent telling me what they think from their hearts, I take notice.
So, I would encourage every woman who's really bothered about
this to put pen to paper to your member of parliament. And tell them what you think because once MPs realise this is something that people care about, they'll make it their business to get involved.
So, my message to women everywhere is use your voice and tell your MP what you think and then hopefully they'll come and find me out and we can see what we can do."
(continues)

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 10/07/2020 21:48

I've just listened to this. What a pleasure to hear two articulate women thoughtfully discussing a wide range of issues that impact on women.
And yes - this has inspired me to respond to my MP's awful response to my letter about the erosion of safeguarding and promotion of porn by sexual politics lobby groups. He's not getting away with ignoring this!

PaleBlueMoonlight · 10/07/2020 21:53

Good interview. Clearly has principles. Very woolly on surrogacy though.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 10/07/2020 21:54

I have a new MP. Contacted him before Covid but need to follow up. My old MP made all the right noises but defaulted to colleagues and did and said absolutely nothing Himself.

R0wantrees · 11/07/2020 20:09

Excellent article by For Women Scotland which lays out many of the issues women are concerned by & provides links to evidence based sources:

"Did you know…
…that 80-95% of people who say they are trans choose to have no medical treatment at all – no surgery, no drugs, not even therapy? Transwomen are just male people who subjectively believe that they are female. That’s it. That is all that’s required.

Despite some commentators describing an “epidemic of violence against trans people“, transwomen are no more likely to be murdered than anyone else, and the best data available shows it’s half as likely. In Scotland, zero have been killed. In fact, transwomen are almost twice as likely to be the perpetrator of a murder than to be murdered in the UK, which is not surprising since a male pattern of violence is retained regardless of any transition or cross-dressing.

The 48% of trans youth have attempted suicide statistic is nonsense too. It was based on just 27 trans people (aged 26 and under), from a self-selecting online survey – which made the data worthless. Yet that hasn’t stopped the TIE Campaign peddling similar in Scottish schools (or is it 27%, they seem confused?), contrary to Samaritans advice on avoiding attributing the cause to any one incident. The NHS Gender Identity Development Service actually says “suicide is extremely rare” and rates of self-harm, distress and suicide ideation are similar to other children seen by CAMHS.

Did you know that 1 in 50 males in prison now self-id as trans according to Ministry of Justice figures? If it is so dangerous to be trans why do so many choose to come out when in jail?

Were you aware that 95% of prisoners are men, and 5% women? That most women in prison are there for financial crime, and most men are in for violent offending. Did you know that men commit 98% of sex offences? That 48% of transwomen prisoners are sex offenders (compared to less than 20% in the general male estate) and would swamp the female estate if they all transferred.

What makes these convicted sex offenders, who were born male, women? Why should female prisoners be locked up with rapists if they say “I am a woman”? Are you willing to be in a prison cell with a male rapist on that basis? And if not, do you think other women should be? Are you aware that women have already been sexually assaulted and raped, in several countries, because of this policy?

Did you know that Scotland already has a policy significantly more liberal than England’s, stating that transgender prisoners must normally be housed according to the “social gender” with which they self-identify? And that this policy was brought in by a senior prison officer, himself now a convicted sex offender? A policy put in place without even talking to women’s groups or considering that there would be any impact on female prisoners at all. Despite warnings of abuse, including from former women’s prison governor Rhona Hotchkiss, the promised policy review has not been forthcoming.

What about women’s refuges, have you considered what it could do to a woman fleeing male violence to encounter a male in that refuge? Read why a women’s refuge provider, Karen Ingala Smith, considers it imperative that these remain women-only, and her speech at the Scottish Parliament." (continues)
forwomen.scot/did-you-know/

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OliveKitteridgeAgain · 11/07/2020 22:47

Posie is doing some great work at the moment.

I spent hours on a very long, detailed email to my MP, citing sources from both sides of the political spectrum, about the GRA reform proposals and the Google/Steonewall attempt to intimidate Liz Truss. I included some personal information about why I am particularly concerned. I copied in LT. My basic request was that my MP support LT against this sort of intimidation, and to raise an urgent question in Parliament about the conduct of Google and Stonewall.

My MP's response completely ignored my requests, and contained some anodyne remarks about being fair to everyone. It was a completely blah response. I do know that my MP is a total lickspittle who will tow the party line, whatever that may be, so hopefully BoJo will move to kick the GRA reform idea out for good. I do so wish I had a strong, female MP willing to stand up for the rights of women. Listening to JD-P made me feel cheated of real representation.

R0wantrees · 14/07/2020 10:19

relevent thread, OP Quoteheartshapedcloud wrote:

"MP speaks out on trans reviving stereotypes

Sorry for the daily fail link but saw this on fb this morning and thought yes exactly!
Not a Tory but this woman seems to have it right, and be brave enough to stick her head above the parapet.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8518293/MP-Jackie-Doyle-Price-slams-dangerous-LGBT-movement-encourages-transgender-children.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3967354-mp-speaks-out-on-trans-reviving-stereotypes

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wellbehavedwomen · 14/07/2020 11:13

I've written to my MP and Liz Truss. Personal letters/emails always carry more weight than slacktivist forms.

Realistically, most people don't agree with the batshit levels of extremism on this issue in the other main parties. I genuinely think most people recognise that yes, trans people face discrimination and that's not okay, and needs addressing. What doesn't need to happen is for women's own rights and protections, and even legal definition, to be erased to correct that. Everyone sensible recognises that human beings can't change sex by claiming a belief.

OhHolyJesus · 14/07/2020 11:43

She is brilliant and Posie was great as ever but I agree Pale she was woolly on surrogacy and that got my spidey senses tingling. (The Law Commission have been biased in their approach. Something is rotten in Denmark if you ask me.)

Jackie D-P is excellent in many ways though. You can't have everything!

(What's Thurrock like? Might have to move...)

R0wantrees · 14/07/2020 12:06

She is brilliant and Posie was great as ever but I agree Pale she was woolly on surrogacy and that got my spidey senses tingling. (The Law Commission have been biased in their approach. Something is rotten in Denmark if you ask me.)

This ^^
Her position seemed to be that policies had to reflect that people would travel elsewhere for arrangements contrary to those on the UK rooted in childrens' Safeguarding.
The same leverage was used by TRAs to secure the provision of 'puberty blockers' / cross sex hormones for children (under 18's)

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FindTheTruth · 21/10/2020 17:27

If you haven't already, check out the speech in the House of Commons by Jackie Doyle- Price MP, at the end of the video. 🌹Superb 📢🎇🎆🌠

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