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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Reddit has just banned the r/detrans subreddit

53 replies

AnotherLass · 10/07/2020 20:10

It had about 13,000 subscribers, growing very rapidly. There were a range of views on there, but a lot of it was just people offering each other personal support

They can't get away with this, surely?

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PennyNotSoWise · 10/07/2020 21:05

Would actually love to see the trans activists and their allies try to defend this. There's no way to spin this that isn't the simple truth - ten trans-inclusive spaces can exist but if even one space exists to exclude them, they'll try and get it shut down. Out of sheer spite.

I bet they will, with the usual baseless bigot accusations and 'literal violence' spiel. They never deviate far from the script.

For a group that's so 'excluded', they aint half promoting a hell of a lot of excluding 🤔

Kantastic · 10/07/2020 21:12

I am in shock that they banned truelesbians. I shouldn't be I suppose, after they appointed males to mod r/PCOS and banned the alternative subreddit that sprang up for PCOS sufferers who wanted to just talk about it with other women, with no one breathing down their neck telling them not to say that ovaries are female.

But the misogyny is so overt and undisguised! r/truelesbians mostly discouraged talk about trans issues and it wasn't specifically GC, it was just there as a place for lesbians who didn't want to see talk about girldick (or, you know, fucking PICTURES of girldick) on every post.

Women saying no to men is a hate crime. They believe it. Just... wow.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 10/07/2020 21:14

Phew. I’m glad it’s back. Bad enough that they are excluding women and lesbians from talking generally, but banning a support sub is disgusting.

Just popped over for my first read in a while and learned a new word ‘detransphobia’ - I like it.

Susie Green and her Mermaids charity are detransphobic. Stonewall are detransphobic, Trans Rights Activists in general are detransphobic.

Very useful word.

christinarossetti19 · 10/07/2020 21:15

Have the owners/mods at Reddit changed recently?

Or has there been particular pressure on them?

Anyone know?

Kantastic · 10/07/2020 21:17

They appointed a new board member and that seems to be connected to their new Content Policy. They made an announcement when they banned a lot of subs including r/GC.

I don't remember his name; however I believe he had a beard.

deepwatersolo · 10/07/2020 21:20

This is ridiculous. I thought this type of absolutism that rejects all lived experiences and perspectives that don‘t conform is confined to religious fundamentalism and fascism these days. What‘s even the argument for banning this? That the people posting did not really detransition? That they should not have detransitioned? That detransitioning is an unacceptable ‚life-style choice‘?

FlyingOink · 10/07/2020 21:26

The whole point of reddit was a space where basically you could say what you wanted. This is why its been so loved by MRAs/Incels. It scares me how powerful the TRA movement is that it can get somewhere like reddit to essentially cancel women?
Hopefully this will get the attention of freespeechers (male) and get a bit more exposure.
Does McCallum still work there?
www.womenarehuman.com/trans-identified-twitter-engineer-rapes-his-wife-dana-mccallum/

FromEden · 10/07/2020 21:26

Just had a look at the PCOS sub. What an absolute joke that women have to police their language in a sub about their own exclusive health issues. "Female" is problematic ffs.

christinarossetti19 · 10/07/2020 21:29

Thanks Kantastic.

I thought that a beard or two would feature.

WeeBisom · 10/07/2020 21:35

I'm sure someone from Gender Cynical, or some other such sub, will be along to tell us in great detail just why all of these subs were super evil and needed to be bad while the rape porn subs are not as high a priority. Also, r/pregnancy has now been set to private - but not to worry, the pregnancy fetish subs are still up and running.

FromEden · 10/07/2020 21:36

Also just had a look at that lovely totally not a hate sub, gender cynical. Apparently r/periods is "borderline terfy" now too. So creepy that they even read subs like that just to police women. Could it be anymore sinister and clear that they just hate women talking about shared experiences and want to shut it down for that reason alone.

WeeBisom · 10/07/2020 21:39

Oh, and Reddit also got rid of 'GC debates QT" which was an excellent, very tightly moderated debate subreddit. Lots of respectful debates and discussions between gender critical feminists and queer theorists. Gone. Nothing hateful about it whatsoever. Unless super technical argument about neuroscience papers is 'hate' now. Which it probably is.

Hulo · 10/07/2020 21:46

A step too far, I reckon, and a sudden panic. They're discussing a backup plan now, apparently. They need to, that sub is important

Hulo · 10/07/2020 21:47

r/detrans I'm talking about.

R0wantrees · 10/07/2020 21:49

This is why its been so loved by MRAs/Incels. It scares me how powerful the TRA movement is that it can get somewhere like reddit to essentially cancel women?

There is a significant overlap with MRAs/Incels and TRAs.

christinarossetti19 · 10/07/2020 21:51

FromEden yes that's exactly it. I've seen it on lots on Facebook etc - women talking usually the proposed GRA reforms and at least one male person comes along to tell us that we're all doing being a woman wrong and that they know best and Just. Will. Not. Stop.

Under the guise of 'calling out transphobia' as if telling women to shut up does anything about actual transphobia.

Kettlingur · 10/07/2020 21:52

This is really fucked up. Detrans people are already ostracised. TRAs claim that they don't really exist, their friends turn their backs on them, their voices are unheard. A detransitioned friend of mine tried blogging but had constant abuse sent to her (the "die in a fire" kind) so she stopped for her mental health. And now reddit wants to prevent them from talking amongst themselves.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 10/07/2020 21:58

It's why they so utterly dispise Mumsnet.
They have no control here.
The very fact it is predominantly female and they can't stop us using our female descriptors or tell us we must use "inclusive" language in case it upsets the males.

They tick every single rule of misogyny.

12boo · 10/07/2020 22:00

Apparently it's back up

12boo · 10/07/2020 22:01

@Whatsnewpussyhat

It's why they so utterly dispise Mumsnet. They have no control here. The very fact it is predominantly female and they can't stop us using our female descriptors or tell us we must use "inclusive" language in case it upsets the males.

They tick every single rule of misogyny.

Yes that's so true
ListeningQuietly · 10/07/2020 22:06

I am boring old hetero
always fancied folks of the opposite sex
found my perfect one a long time ago
had kids with them
still happy

but on behalf of those kids I find the trans agenda really scary
it wants to judge and constrain
in a way that I thought had gone years ago

so sad

FromEden · 10/07/2020 23:22

Under the guise of 'calling out transphobia' as if telling women to shut up does anything about actual transphobia.

Yeah, its funny how "calling out transphobia" usually involves telling women to shut up talking about biological realities but the men (and it is overwhelmingly men) who use vile slurs and violence against trans people are given a free pass. Strange isn't it?

SetYourselfOnFire · 10/07/2020 23:33

Trans Rights are Homophobia and Misogyny.
Keep pushing, assholes. Censorship doesn't convince anyone. You are losing.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/07/2020 23:39

Re the r/PCOS - just wondering, do they have any groups covering issues such as testicular or prostate cancers, or erectile dysfunction? Presumably they'd have to be modded in a similar way but by women?

deepwatersolo · 11/07/2020 06:58

apparently r/periods is „borderline terfy

From what I am told, women‘s liberation from oppressive old norms in the 70‘s had a lot to do with not being ashamed of your body, talking about it (including periods) - no more accepting that one does not talk about this....

It is utterly absurd that they now want to take away our ability to talk about our bodies - banning platforms, declaring the topics non-PC and even trying to destroy the language, the words to be able to do that. And all in the name of inclusivity - whereby inclusivity obviously means ‚don‘t piss some male off with your words or behavior no matter how deranged his standards for feeling offended are.‘ And they act like this was some new, evolved thing and not the rule book we have lived under for millennia.