Creepy Trump video

[SapphosRock]

Interesting campaign tactic and uncomfortable viewing.

Will it discourage Americans from voting for him again? We can hope:

I remember thinking last time when the "grab them by the pussy" tape came out that that was the end for him. How wrong was I? If he loses this time I don't think it will be because people have realised he's creepy.

I thought all this stuff was in the public domain the first time round.

No , they knew who they were voting for the first time round

Yes me too niceberg yet it seems his creepiness is all part of his charm. How utterly depressing.

Wasn't AltLib to blame for his election. Ordinary people seem to have been pushed over the edge because the 'educated, liberal elite' took them for granted. Isn't the attempted removal of women as biological sex an Alt Lib agenda and with that in mind I can see why some people might have lost the plot and gone for him. What's worse, given the views of my friends, we were about to vote Lib Dem at the last election but when they suddenly went mad and woke, we all changed our minds. I hope the Democrats don't make the same mistakes. Although he did lose the popular vote and bugger democracy, I wish he'd disappear off the face of the earth

Lose the popular vote?

But that's just the particular system they have with the electoral college.

As threats to democracy go, it's a fairly small one. The Supreme Court is far more dangerous when they start reading things into the constitution that weren't originally intended. Or just politicians in general, when after being elected, they ignore what the majority of people actually want. Of course, in their minds, that's OK, because that's the type of democratic system we have where they can just do what they like with the country as long as they don't take enough heat to get voted out. Even if they do get voted out, the opposition may still pursue the same (unpopular) policy.

Anyway the Democrats as a party may not be quite at the lunatic stage of wanting to "defund the police", but they have been drifting towards the hard-left for some time now.

This is obviously disgusting but I've met so many men like this. Unfortunately many men don't see this behaviour as repulsive as we do. Google "Creepy Joe Biden" and you'll see exactly the same kind of shit from him.

Wasn't AltLib to blame for his election.

Nope.

Isn't the attempted removal of women as biological sex an Alt Lib agenda

Nope. Try asking most Americans what that sentence means, and they won't have any idea what you're talking about. So no, they didn't vote on that in 2016.

Trying to cast all politicians as "the elite" and the enemy, yes that's absolutely what the Trump campaign did. That's why they needed a reality TV star rather than a career politician. His schtick was to be "the outsider".

If you were on MN during the US election, you would have seen post after post after post here (yes, even here: quite a bit of pro-Trump campaigning on MN, presumably because of our high rankings) describing Trump as the non-elite who was fighting the elite.

Which is quite a hard sell when you're talking about a hereditary millionaire whose businesses keep failing, but hey, his campaign were a good sales team.

In fact I was reminded just today that Dominic Cummings has used the same sales lines a few times:

Cummings has described that successful campaign, which was based on portraying politicians as a drain on ordinary people, as “a training exercise for an EU referendum”.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender

(Of course Cummings, like Trump, has largely dropped the line that politicians are bad, now that they, or their boy, are the politician. But they still selectively resurrect it.)

Although it is interesting to see people try to retrofit the 2016 US campaign to their own, current policy aims.

It will be interesting to read the memoire written by Melania’s aide.

Hes admitted to sexual assault, expressed a desire to have sex with his own daughter. He could probably rape someone on the steps of the whitehouse and still be POTUS.

And while "attempted removal of women as biological sex" wasn't a theme in the 2016 US, Trump's sexual behaviour was.

You'll just have to accept that US voters don't mind having a president who sexually assaults women.

Not all US voters, of course, and not even the majority. But enough, in the right places, to vote in a man who brags of it.

Bear in mind that voting is not compulsory in the US. If there isn't a candidate you can bring yourself to vote for, you can just stay home. So anyone who actually took the trouble to vote, and to vote for Trump, was making an actual statement that women being sexually assaulted was less important to them than their other issues.

And Zinco, I'm sure you'll be relieved that the US Supreme Court has just ruled that the President is not above the law. His lawyers had tried to argue that a president has immunity from investigation into criminal offences.

Of course it's a big event when a president sails so close to the wind that they force the Supreme Court to examine exactly what the law actually is. It's really not the fault of the court if a president or anyone else decides to push the legal boundaries to see what they can and can't get away with. And once the court has been forced to rule, they can't just pick a ruling to please the president.

(This is to do with the a case about the way Trump and his lawyers covered up his hush-money payments to the women he had affairs with. IIUC, it wasn't criminal for him to pay the women he had sex with. But as so often with these things, it's his cover-up which may prove his problem.
Trump taxes: Supreme Court says New York prosecutors can see records
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53353953 )

I remember when it all came out 4 years ago and my husband happily said "well that's it for Trump then" and I said bet ya it isn't.

It was then closely followed by Hillary Clinton getting far worse abuse for her husbands alleged activities and her using the wrong email address.

Wait, I may have jumped the gun and be talking about something different. Sorry

So many tapes of Trump's sexual misbehaviour, BentBastard. It's hard to keep track...

Or just politicians in general, when after being elected, they ignore what the majority of people actually want.

Mm. How serious do you feel it is that Donald Trump hasn't "built the wall"?

It was his very explicit, repeated campaign promise. He even got stadiums full of people chanting it. But he happily reneged on it once he got into office.

If anyone's interested, this is a more detailed explanation of this week's US Supreme Court ruling.

But it does come down to:

a) no one is above the law;

b) other presidents have complied with the law to produce evidence in criminal investigations; it's only because Trump refused to do so and tried to claim he was above the law, that the court has had to rule, and its ruling was (a).

Trump's own appointees, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, voted for this ruling.

This was all public knowledge back in 2016 when he was first elected. Didn't stop anyone voting for him then so I guess it won't make a difference this time around either. When it comes to Trump voters, he said it best himself : he could shoot someone dead in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and they'd still vote for him.

It's become a point of pride for Trump voters to 'own the libs' by voting for a disgusting pervert. Not sure how it 'owns the libs' since he passed tax breaks for the rich and is taking away healthcare in the middle of a pandemic but they seem to think it does.

Trump is creepy and Biden is creepy. Feel sorry for the Americans having to choose between them.

My parents are actually both lovely, moral (in the secular sense - humanists really) people who have never hurt a fly and never would.

Yet somehow they both voted for Donald Trump.

I’ve ask them... how on earth they could do so and the answers are some mishmash Of “all politicians are the same, he just doesn’t try to hide it” and “it doesn’t matter the GOP policies are what matter”.

TBF I know they would have Preferred literally any other Republican... I’m not at all sure about this idea you can convert life long republicans away.

That is the glory of the electoral college. Trump lost by three million votes and won the election.
The same thing happened in Bush v Gore.
Past time to get rid of the undemocratic electoral.

That'll be the same electoral college in place throughout 8 yrs. of Obama in charge and making decisions.

When you see so much of Trump's sexual behaviour together in one place, particularly to very young women and to his daughters, it does make it much more clear.

The recording of him saying, "I'm going to be dating her in 10 years" was about a random young girl at Trump Tower in 1992. The age of that girl isn't verified, though the voices are pretty young, but also in 1992 there was a newspaper report of him doing the same thing to another girl. He approached a youth choir, started chatting with them, asked a 14-year-old her age and then said "I'll be dating you in 10 years."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/13/trump-makes-inappropriate-remarks-about-10-year-old-girl-video

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/300928-trump-told-14-year-old-girl-hell-be-dating-her-soon

@Childrenofthestones

That'll be the same electoral college in place throughout 8 yrs. of Obama in charge and making decisions.

No, that isn't how electors and the electoral college works. You can google it.