Guardian back into the fray

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With a sorrowful piece from a TW about how what’s going on the media doesn’t reflect the reality on the ground & TW & feminists are really allies fighting the same battles

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It can only be effective through abandoning the dead-end of territory-claiming wars over biology and rights.

Give in and it'll be fine.

"It can only be effective through abandoning the dead-end of territory-claiming wars over biology and rights."

Just reads like a fancier way of saying women should put up and shut up, and get with the program.

Trans is ... no onslaught against women’s rights. It asks us to rethink conventions of sex and gender and to deal generously, not defensively, with change

... Trans will not affect women’s rights - as long as women are prepared to give them all up.

It can only be effective through abandoning the dead-end of territory-claiming wars of women having any boundaries.

Nah, fuck off mate.

It's like arguing that someone stealing my car wouldn't be such a big deal if I'd just politely hand them the keys.

Yes, exactly.

"Give up your territory claim and we can be friends"

They are such colonisers.

Brexiteers always said that too.

It annoyed me then as well.

Every now and again on a feminist thread someone will say "isn't feminism about equality for all?"
That's essentially what this is saying too I think.

I’ve read it now. It took a lot of words to say nothing. Literally nothing.

Absolutely everything Heist said.

I don't really understand in what way feminists and trans activists are supposed to be allies.

My feminism is based on trying to dismantle sex-based oppression, not trying to create some kind of fantasy alliance with male-bodied people who wish to use my safe spaces.

The Guardian slways runs articles from opposing points of view on any subject, not necessarily on the same day.

And yet today they also have an article today about women losing the gender war in Coronavirus times and mothers being 47% more likely to lose their jobs.

The Guardian always runs cheap click bait, whilst proclaiming what wonderful journalism they do.

I actually don't mind their news, but the whole paper runs on opinion. They're cynics, playing both sides, though with a fair bit of joy when they get to poke women.

Thank God for Hadley.

I would love them to run an art on this topic that made some actual suggestions and accepted that feminists have real concerns. We could come to agreement on many things if there was as a civil discussion but that isn’t happening.

deal generously, not defensively, with change

Yes, come on, ladies - be generous with those sports trophies! Just share those prisons and rape centres!

"Bodies and their sex characteristics have material reality, a reality that trans people know all too well."

Isn't this exactly what JK Rowling was saying? Which was apparently so hideously transphobic she had to be threatened with corrective rape, baseball bats, dying in a grease fire, etc?

Give up your territory claim and we can be friends

They are essentially playing Hitler and right now we seem to have a legion of Chamberlain's song everything is fine. I would call JK Rowling Churchill but I don't know if she wants the moniker. I'm still impressed she had the courage to put her head above the parapet.

What do people like that even think an innate experience of womanhood or manhood is?

We don't count - so whatever our experience of womanhood is, it doesn't count. Hence, whatever their experience is (the clothes, the makeup, the hair flicking, the knitting, the voices, the insta pictures) - that's the real deal. There's nothing else to it. Everything else is us being mean and ovary waving.

We’re comments enabled on the article? Would be interesting to see what responses it has got

Also in the Guardian today - sex-based inequality. Not a choice or an identity but the consequence of having female sex based reproductive capacity. I note the trans-feminist alliance article didn't actually mention any point of political commonality other than definitions of femaleness and identity.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/how-coronavirus-is-widening-the-uk-gender-pay-gap

Waving my ovaries sounds like a lot of work, can I just sort of gently sway them as I walk to the kitchen to make a cup of tea instead?