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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cult mind control & hypno porn

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HDDD · 06/07/2020 18:17

I've just come across this thread on Twitter from a Moonie survivor, in relation to JKR's essay.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1279890717507227648.html

I googled hypno porn and I'm none the wiser. Anyone?

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Deliriumoftheendless · 06/07/2020 18:19

Hoodathunkit may be able to shed some light on this, she’s an encyclopaedia of weird cults. Fantastic resources.

Rocaille · 06/07/2020 23:19

www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/who-is-behind-sissy-hypno-stuff-and-what-is-their-actual-goal.220974/

This thread may be of interest. It's from NoFap, a website for recovering porn addicts. Some of the contributers are, I suspect, somewhat tin-foil hatted, but I found their discussion thought provoking nonetheless.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 06/07/2020 23:35

Totally clicked on this hoping it'd be a hoodathunkit post! Now placemarking in the hope that she'll be along soon.

Kantastic · 07/07/2020 08:06

That thread is very interesting Rocaille! But I'm baffled at their tinfoil hattery. I am a bit more open to tinfoil-hat stuff than I used to be but surely in this case there is a simple and obvious explanation. Why wouldn't you simply assume that men who fetishise this stuff are creating it?

Kantastic · 07/07/2020 08:24

...oh. I see why they didn't get there.

They aren't attributing it to fetishists because they think it has to be a very small niche fetish.

The very first comment brings up the "LGTB agenda" and rules that out as a suspect because it's not the kind of thing gay men would be interested in.

There really does need to a lot more awareness of the ways in which AGP can manifest and how widespread it is.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/07/2020 08:32

What do the people producing this stuff want exactly? Is it just people already in the grip of a fetish thinking that misery loves company? Seems like they mostly aren't asking money for it so I can't see a motive other than recruiting.

Kantastic · 07/07/2020 08:38

Seems like they mostly aren't asking money for it so I can't see a motive other than recruiting.

It's definitely recruiting. I feel a bit 🤐 in talking about this but part of AGP in some cases seems to be a fetish for transitioning in and of itself, and relatedly when you see how certain communities interact with the "questioning" types who are contemplating their identities, it resembles a cult recruiting.

Kantastic · 07/07/2020 08:39

so what i'm saying is that the recruitment is fetish fuel.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/07/2020 08:40

Yeah, the whole hatching eggs thing. It's all very creepy and my only hope is that once straight men realize they're being targeted they won't take too kindly to it.

Kantastic · 07/07/2020 08:43

Yes. It's interesting how the "LGBT" collective grouping seems to have stopped those particular straight men from figuring out what is going on.

TheQueef · 07/07/2020 08:45

Sooo has anyone a bullet point brief of hypno porn yet? I read it on another thread but really don't want to try and work it out I'm out of my depth.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/07/2020 08:50

It sounds like it would come across as bizarre and ridiculous, but if it's using neuro linguistic programming techniques those really can work. It's what Tony Robbins uses, for example.

TheQueef · 07/07/2020 08:51

Thank you Kan, as I suspected way over my head!

Xanthangum · 07/07/2020 08:51

Not hypno, but I have investigated what Trans porn looks like for the purposes of research.

If TWAW as we all know, then surely trans porn would look like ordinary porn? It doesnt, it's mostly gay porn but one or more participants appears to be sporting a bad wig.

Is it just me or does this suggest that there is a very clear distinction between those trans people who are desperate to part company with their wee willy winkies, and those who would never ever contemplate such a proposition because - well, they actually quite like them?

Kantastic · 07/07/2020 08:59

The accounts from those men who were addicted to it are certainly compelling. I can almost see why they'd want to posit an all-powerful conspiracy rather than some random fetishists, would make it feel slightly less awful to have been so disempowered by it.

I don't know exactly how those subliminal messaging things work but I went to a Derren Brown show once where he played a subliminal video - it was just an odd video, a little bit spooky-feeling, I think it showed something falling off a desk over and over, but it affected quite a large portion of the audience. Including me! It definitely does something.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/07/2020 09:00

Adding orgasm as a reinforcing mechanism would certainly tend to make whatever is happening stick better.

hoodathunkit · 07/07/2020 10:39

I am really pushed for time today and just wanted to say for the record that I have never heard of hypno-porn and was unaware of it being a thing.

I am extremely familiar with the creation of pornography by some cults and some political and terrorist movements (Red Army Faction for example).

With cults the porn (probably not the best name for it, as made via a process of grooming, brainwashing and deception - and in some cases via sex trafficking) elements of the business serve a number of different purposes.

Off the top of my head they are

  1. To erode people's personal and sexual boundaries so that they become more compliant and easier to control.
  1. To serve as kompromat / collateral. This can either be to bind a victim to the cult and make it near impossible to leave or, when the cult member is used as a honey trap, to gain kompromat on people of influence in order to further the aims of the cult. The grooming process may include the overt or covert administration of drugs, sleep deprivation, starvation (often disguised as healthy diets, fasts and purges), enforced stress positions for prolonged periods (often disgused as yoga), prolonged drumming, chanting, hyperventilating, immersion in ice cold water, dancing or rhythmic shaking all aiming to induce Non-Ordinary States of Consciousness (NOSC)
  1. To recruit new victims to the cult via a flirty fishing type approach. Porn websites run by cultic networks can be identified by their promotion of the various "spiritual" practices promoted by the cult and by the fact that the porn actors also work as yoga teachers, life coaches, tantric educators etc.
  1. To harvest extremely personal data from porn consumers via cult owned porn websites.
  1. To make money. Obviously

All I have time for now but I have so much more to say re this, especially regarding the use of hypnosis, NLP etc to groom and brainwash vulnerable people and also re NOSC.

I will post back as soon as I can.

HDDD · 07/07/2020 10:50

Blimey O! I feel ridiculously naive about all this. I had no idea.

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hoodathunkit · 08/07/2020 20:28

The below link is EXTREMELY DISTURBING, reader discretion advised

Please be extremely careful about researching these people.

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unwashedanddazed · 08/07/2020 20:51

There are sub reddits devoted to fans and also for those trying to escape it. I remember the first time I read accounts of people trying to escape it I felt real fear and horror. On reddit there are kids as young as 14 and 15 talking about being addicted and unable to stop. Also seen descriptions of lost time because of trigger words, waking up in fetish clothing but not remembering dressing in it. Bambi sleep is frequently referenced as being very powerful in terms of forced feminisation and bimbofication.

It is absolutely vile and comes across like an MK Ultra psyop.

hoodathunkit · 09/07/2020 10:51

There are sub reddits devoted to fans and also for those trying to escape it. I remember the first time I read accounts of people trying to escape it I felt real fear and horror. On reddit there are kids as young as 14 and 15 talking about being addicted and unable to stop. Also seen descriptions of lost time because of trigger words, waking up in fetish clothing but not remembering dressing in it. Bambi sleep is frequently referenced as being very powerful in terms of forced feminisation and bimbofication.

Do you have links via the archive for these?

I would be interested to see them but I feel extremely cautious about searching for “hypno-porn” for obvious reasons, as other readers should be.

Do cults create pornography? Yes they do. It is a significant business for many cults.

Are there lots of lies and conspiracy theories about child sexual abuse and child sexual exploitation and the creation of pornography and child abuse images and films related to cults? Absolutely there are.

Pizzagate and the Hampstead SRA hoax are important examples and I would urge readers to educate themselves about these hoaxes, not least of all because of their significant tangential relationship to the astroturfing of the LGB cause via the extremes of the TRA movement, of which more later.

Re the Hampstead hoax there is horrifying footage, probably illegal to watch, widely available online of 2 children making false allegations about SRA. The children were tortured by their mother and her career criminal, child abusing partner into making the allegations. They subsequently disclosed the torture and coercion in subsequent police Achieving Best Evidence (ABE) videos and recanted their initial false claims but these later videos were ignored by the various trolls and sinister forces pushing the hoax.

The original ABE videos with the false allegations fell into the hands of the mother as part of a court bundle when she sacked her lawyers. The ABE videos were then appropriated by various conspiracy theorists who uploaded them and invited others to do so.

The children in the videos were and are vulnerable. These kids were tortured by their mother and her partner. The false allegations they initially made, resulting from coercion and torture, describe unspeakable acts of child sexual abuse that never happened all as part of a non-existent satanic cult.

Police have warned that the illegally uploaded and shared ABE videos will be of interest to people who have sexual interest in children as they describe (false) acts of child sexual abuse in significant detail. They also show the faces and identities of the children which violates the children’s privacy and makes them vulnerable to harm.

The police have made it very clear that people should not share or watch these videos as, apart from anything else, they are evidence of child abuse and it is not helpful, advisable or respectful to the children themselves for people to watch these videos.

I strongly recommend that readers who wish to learn more about the Hampstead SRA hoax to do so via the Hoaxtead Research blog which I will link to below.

What we really need to do here is to explore the false claims of child sexual abuse and exploitation, especially in relation to cults, in relation to the reality of CSA and CSE in cults.

It is my understanding, having researched this issue fairly obsessively for some years, that there is a very real and serious problem with cults exploiting children and vulnerable adults both sexually and in other ways.

There is also a problem with sinister forces generating conspiracy theories about cultic sexual abuse, especially SRA.

This is an incredibly complex and nuanced issue with online and real life evidence trails that are complicated.

This issue is becoming quite urgent because of the insane Orwellian situation we find ourselves in and because of the fragile state of the world because of the coronavirus.

I was dismayed to find a recently uploaded video on YouTube that I hope a reader may be able to help me with.

The video is here

The description says that it is from Turkish national TV. Is this correct?

The video claims that the Hollywood elite are using adrenochrome / adrenochrom harvested from infants and children as part of an anti-ageing skincare routine.

Readers familiar with SRA conspiracy theories in general, and Hampstead and Pizzagate in particular, will know that the fictional adrenochrome referred to in these hoaxes, (a hormone harvested from children who have been tortured to create the hormone) bears no relationship to the real substance, which is simply it’s just the oxidised form of adrenaline, otherwise known as epinephrine.

Fortunately the Hoaxtead blog has a really well researched piece in this which readers can find here

hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com/2018/01/27/adrenochrome-hysteria-versus-reality/

So, to conclude, if the video here is really from Turkish national TV we have an alarming situation in which a national TV station is making horrific false claims about celebrities using a fictionalised version of a real, mundane substance, that resonate with the Pizzagate hoax.

So, back to "hypno-porn”

Is it actually a thing?

I have no idea. It could be a thing or to could be a hoax. Unfortunately once you start researching the issue of cults and sexual exploitation you discover that there are many hoaxes and conspiracy theories that are like exaggerated versions of real conspiracies and abusive networks.

For example, many of the individuals and networks promoting SRA conspiracy theories have network connections to individuals and networks that really do abuse children and vulnerable adults.

One has to be extremely careful, methodical and evidence based about teasing out the truth from the fiction. The bad people lay many traps in this respect.

I have much more to post about this but no time at the moment, more later.

unwashedanddazed · 09/07/2020 13:49

hoodathunkit it is very much a thing.
Search reddit for r/TGandSissyRecovery (anti) and r/Hypno_underground (pro)

As far as I'm aware there are other subreddits too, but like you I have no desire to search further.
r/Transmaxxing also veers into this but is mainly dedicated to encouraging incels into transitioning.

All this crazy out there and yet, reddit bans feminists!

hoodathunkit · 09/07/2020 13:57

unwashedanddazed

I'm not saying I don't believe you :)

Just requesting that you do what I do when I find something important but possibly dodgy to search for and to post links via the archive

Thanks in advance

hoodathunkit · 09/07/2020 13:59

While I'm here

A short and highly educational article about the Hampstead SRA hoax

barthsnotes.com/2015/03/25/

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