Creasy - making police record misogny

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The Guardian has reported ( www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/05/labour-mayors-back-plan-to-make-police-record-misogyny-as-hate ):

"Labour’s metro mayors have united behind a parliamentary proposal from Stella Creasy to force the police to start recording misogyny as a hate crime.
...The Creasy amendment would not make misogyny a hate crime, but would oblige forces to record crimes where misogyny was a factor.
...“What the police have said, literally, is, ‘If we recorded it, we will have to do something about it.’ And you think, yes, that’s absolutely the point,” said Creasy."

So a modest step but definitely worth while.

The hate crime laws put me in mind of the blasphemy laws which were (rightly in my opinion) got rid of in 2008 because, if I remember correctly, it was pointed out that only Christians were protected and people reasonably asked for it to include other religions. So the whole thing was scrapped. Now women are reasonably asking for protection under the hate thing maybe again the whole thing will be scrapped as it almost certainly would mean a lot more work for the police etc...

Just (wishful) thinking out loud.

Bugger!

What is the point?
Crime is now recorded according to self-identified gender. That needs to be sorted out first.

Thanks. I feel so deflated that we don't even merit a classification, that we might be included, if we are lucky. And even then, anybody can be part of our group if they say so.

I don't feel at all comfortable about the way 'hate crime' is going (Harry the Owl's case sums up my thoughts too re free speech) but to be in a position where I feel so helpless, where men are prioritised and women are at the bottom.of the pile, is so demoralising.

@ThePurported

What is the point? Crime is now recorded according to self-identified gender. That needs to be sorted out first.

This is the crux of it.

However, as a woman I have no protections against a man (who falls into a protected category) who is harrassing me currently in real life with some extremely creepy behaviour. This is a post for another time and I don't want to out myself, but it's brought this to the fore.

HandsOffMyRights I'm so sorry you're being harassed. FWIW I don't think making misogyny a hate crime would make any difference to you. There is already law that should protect you from harassment. Whether or not you can enforce the law and get the police to take your case seriously is another matter entirely.
I hope you've managed to get some good advice.

Thanks Where I am looking into this, but I fear if I report him he will say that the reason I've blocked his calls (he's used three phones now) and refused his gifts/gifts to my children/requests to go into his home etc. is because of his sexuality rather than the fact that his behaviour is deeply unsettling and intrusive. He has already said so in a long, threatening message and used the words 'hate crime'.

It's really depressing because I barely know him and the subject of sexuality has never come up (why should it?) so it was a shock when he just threw this out there with various threats. I have a long text message trail, fortunately and Ring doorbell footage, but whatever I say, he has now put this into a message painting me to be some kind of perpetrator and bigot if anybody reads it.

It's really upsetting as this all started when I put a note out to all neighbours offering to help them during Covid.

I don't really understand the point of hate crime laws. Harassment, abuse, violence and discrimination should be illegal against everyone surely. Misogyny or racism or homophobia or disability etc could be the motive for those crimes but not the actual crime itself?

I like this proposal - it seems to even up the field a little.

Do you remember the two lesbians attacked on the bus? I wrote a complaint to the BBC because the news article didn’t mention the word ‘woman’ or even ‘lesbian’, it was all framed in GBT terms, yet I suspect that they would have been in far less danger if they had been a pair of burly men.

What is the point?
Crime is now recorded according to self-identified gender. That needs to be sorted out first.

Yes also this. Useless in a system where male and female no longer exist in any meaningful way. And I wonder what will class as misogyny? JKs letter perhaps?

I think I am for getting rid of hate crime as a category entirely and just working on making sure every person is protected from abuse, discrimination, violence and harassment as a general rule for everyone. Unless there's a point to having hate crime as a specific crime that I'm missing.