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Damian Barr

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AbsintheFriends · 01/07/2020 17:39

I know there's loads going on at the moment, and Damian Barr is just one bearded misogynist in an increasingly dystopian world, but he's the one who kicked up a huge self-righteous fuss about Baroness Nicholson and got her ousted from her position at the Booker Prize on the grounds of homophobia and transphobia. Who would have imagined that such a zealous icon of ideological purity would turn out to have said things like this??

twitter.com/MLagouste/status/1278345389150662658

(Oh yes. Any one of the several million of us on FWR who has seen a bearded misogynist hiding behind a trans-rights banner...)

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Divoc2020 · 02/07/2020 14:39

Yes, was an RSA Fellow apparently.

I'm not sure it's as grand as it sounds really - there are lots of them and they have to pay an annual subscription, but I guess it looks good. He has certainly trumpeted it on his various profiles, so I hope losing it stings a little.

crumpet · 02/07/2020 14:42

The schadenfreude is very strong, I can’t deny. But I do hate this knee jerk cancelism (not a real word). It’s not healthy or measured.

Divoc2020 · 02/07/2020 14:43

I guess they might have asked him to step down of his own accord first.

Yes - he runs a literary salon at the Savoy.

I was a fan of his until he showed his true colours with the orchestrated hate campaign against the Baroness.
Used to watch his shows/listen to his podcast and even went to one of his events.

Now I'm going to avoid him like the plague.
We were discussing on our Book Group WhatsApp chat - it's interesting because it's got us talking about the whole issue about women being silenced.

JemimaShore · 02/07/2020 14:50

crumpet - I totally agree.

These two feelings - one on each shoulder - oh but I hate cancel culture vs but he's having a dose of his own medicine!

But my god, he was vicious in his attacks on Baroness Nicholson - he who lives by the sword and all that...

Any I'm sure he'll come out framed as the real victim here.

justanotherneighinparadise · 02/07/2020 14:52

For everyone of these cancellers that feels the judgement of cancellation we will see an epiphany emerge.

ItsLateHumpty · 02/07/2020 15:04

RSA said he’d already ceased to be a Fallow

twitter.com/red_mutant_eyes/status/1278687943197110277

Side stepped the question.

Damian Barr
ItsLateHumpty · 02/07/2020 15:06

Fellow obvs 🤦‍♀️

Divoc2020 · 02/07/2020 15:07

They need to ask WHEN he ceased to be a fellow. I bet he resigned before he could be cancelled.

FantaOra · 02/07/2020 15:07

Sarah Perry's tweets epitomise the whole thing to me. She likes him so she can't and won't think badly of Barr, he's allowed to be rude and offensive to anyone he wants to because he's "queer", just like Grayson Perry, the straight male whose sexual fetishism is popular entertainment to some.

The Baroness however, isn't fashionable in "queer" circles, her hard work with abused girls is not fun "queer" culture, and her old Christian values are not "queer" ones so she can be insulted and discarded for a Shakespearean allusion to rounds of applause.

Shallow and two faced, Sarah. I won't be looking to the literary world for values, only for queer insults.

nauticant · 02/07/2020 15:09

Excusing someone being abusive because "he's one of us"? That's a familiar story.

aliasundercover · 02/07/2020 15:11

Odd that the Guardian hasn't mentioned this. They had multiple articles about JK and the Baroness, but they don't seem to have noticed this has happened to one of their own writers.

SerenityNowwwww · 02/07/2020 15:13

The sad thing is that he and his mates just won’t ‘get it’.

SulisMinerva · 02/07/2020 15:15

The Baroness however, isn't fashionable in "queer" circles, her hard work with abused girls is not fun "queer" culture, and her old Christian values are not "queer" ones so she can be insulted and discarded for a Shakespearean allusion to rounds of applause.

This is so true. She has achieved an immense amount in her life time but the causes she supports don’t appear to be fashionable among the liberal set. Much easier to be a Twitter ‘activist’ than to actually get out into the real world and try and make a difference.

DrudgeJedd · 02/07/2020 15:15

Mention of him being a FRSA was removed from his wiki entry an hour ago. So this is very recent.

PacificState · 02/07/2020 15:17

RSA Fellowship really doesn't mean anything. It's basically a membership scheme/funding mechanism for the RSA - like being a 'member' of the South Bank Centre or something. You pay a fee and get to use their cafe out of hours.

I got invited to be one because I'm connected with a member of RSA staff on LinkedIn Grin It's not an imprimatur from the RSA. Pretty tragic if Barr was trumpeting it as an exclusive achievement - it's about as exclusive as a Tesco Clubcard.

Nothing against the RSA which I think does some really interesting stuff, by the way. Everyone's gotta fund their organisation somehow.

teawamutu · 02/07/2020 15:57

@SulisMinerva

The Baroness however, isn't fashionable in "queer" circles, her hard work with abused girls is not fun "queer" culture, and her old Christian values are not "queer" ones so she can be insulted and discarded for a Shakespearean allusion to rounds of applause.

This is so true. She has achieved an immense amount in her life time but the causes she supports don’t appear to be fashionable among the liberal set. Much easier to be a Twitter ‘activist’ than to actually get out into the real world and try and make a difference.

Absolutely this.
TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 02/07/2020 16:00

defending the tweets as 'just how people talk to each other in LGBT circles'

And yet when Gareth Roberts (Dr Who writer) said exactly that about having used exactly the same word, the cancel mob carried on going after him just the same. The only difference between him and Barr was that he refused to grovel about things he'd said years ago.

Divoc2020 · 02/07/2020 16:11

@DrudgeJedd - yes, I saw that, but I'm pretty sure it was done by someone who doesn't support him, as I saw some of the other suggested edits they had made to the page about The Booker Prize!

(Already gone, it seems!)

Mollyollydolly · 02/07/2020 17:04

I'm just composing another letter to the Booker. What do you all think?
Anyone else you think it's worth sending it to?

Regarding Baroness Nicholson and your disgraceful treatment of this great lady who has dedicated her life to public service, particularly striving to improve the lives of vulnerable children, refugees and victims of sexual violence. A woman who set up and worked for a number of charities and is particularly well-known for her humanitarian work in the Middle East.

In recent months Baroness Nicholson has been a vocal opponent of gender identity ideology, speaking up for women's sex-based rights and spaces and arguing against the medicalisation of vulnerable children. I’m sure you’re aware she co-founded a charity with JK Rowling, another woman who has been vilified for publishing an essay about the harm of gender politics.

After a couple of poorly worded tweets her critics took to social media and urged followers to make a complaint about the Baroness, .Munroe Bergdorf and Damian Barr smelt blood. That’s the same Bergdorf who had to step down from their role on the Labour Party’s LGBT advisory board after it emerged they had made homophobic comments.
These modern day witchfinders were now able to label Baroness Nicholson a homophobe and petition the Booker Prize Committee accordingly.

Author Damian Barr spearheaded a group of writers baying for the Baroness' blood, in a most disgusting and sanctimonious fashion, demanding that she be removed from her Booker Prize role. Their faux outrage based on the fact she voted against equal marriage in the same-sex couples marriage bill. Barr also made accusations that Baroness Nicholson was making an "Ongoing attack on the LGBT community" and "Propagating homophobic views". None of these accusations he substantiated of course.

Baroness Nicholson voted against same-sex marriage. SEVEN YEARS AGO. Even Stonewall was split on the subject at the time. While I may not agree with Baroness Nicholson, she was entitled to vote in the bill however she chose. It's how our democracy works.

Lord Willetts voted against making the age of consent for gay men equal to that for heterosexual couples. In 2002 he voted several times against allowing same-sex couples to adopt children. In 2003 he voted to delay the repeal of the notoriously homophobic Clause 28. A BOOKER PRIZE TRUSTEE. Why did Barr not demanding his expulsion from the foundation I wonder?

And voila, the Booker caved, Baroness Nicholson was expunged from the literary foundation her late husband helped establish.

This is a woman who I have watched on twitter counselling a young lesbian, whose wife died suddenly and unexpectedly with such care and tenderness. It’s so easy to see what kind of woman she is, if only people had looked before jumping on this purity roundabout.

I say all this as a woman who campaigned against section 28, spent years campaigning for LGB rights, and who does not agree with Baroness Nicholson on same sex marriage.

I find it incredible that she was ‘cancelled’ for a badly worded tweet or her views on same sex marriage which comes from her religious beliefs, a protected characteristic under UK law. I may not agree with her but she is allowed to hold her view as many people do.

I despise cancel culture. But then we come to the fragrant Damian Barr. A man who never even thought he might be troubled by someone going through his own twitter history. Why would he? He’s a man on the side of the righteous. His twitter history contained transphobic, misogynistic, racists tweets. Truly unpleasant stuff that the Baroness would have been appalled by. He spent yesterday locking down his twitter account deleting his twitter history as fast as his little, sweaty fingers would go. Unfortunately for him they were archived first.

I’m sure he will portray himself as a victim. However there is only one victim in this, Baroness Nicholson.

You owe this Lady who has only shown utter class and dignity throughout this shabby affair a massive apology. You have discredited her and your own organisation by your cowardly actions.

Women will not forgive and forget.

Shameful.

AgentProvocateur · 02/07/2020 17:13

That’s a great letter @Mollyollydolly

SerenityNowwwww · 02/07/2020 17:14

Did you miss where there was an orchestrated letter writing campaign to have her removed from the house of lords?

I do like the word ‘shabby’. It’s so... grubby and dirty.

Divoc2020 · 02/07/2020 17:16

GREAT letter Molly - I can feel the anger and utter incredulity in it!

Are you emailing or sending a physical letter? Who should they be sent to?

Divoc2020 · 02/07/2020 17:17

Has the HoL things been rebuffed now?

Highperbolay · 02/07/2020 17:19

This Damian Barr thing really is laying open the double standards here isn't it, and it is so shocking to see! Have Pink News even mentioned this at all? What about LOJ? Nothing?

I have seen defences of him on Twitter - Katy Montgomerie, Hetty Whatstheirname etc saying he 'has come a long way since then'. Aidan Comerford rolling out that single Magdalen Berns tweet AGAIN (that's got to be about the 6th time this week he has invoked it! 😂) as a 'whataboutwhataboutwhatabout' way of deflecting away from the fact that everyone can see that men like Damian Barr don't really care about trans people, they have just seen a fabulous way to abuse women and look progressive at the same time.

He laughed at someone's attempted suicide for fucks sake. Who does that ever, not just in 2009?

What. A. Fucking. Piece. Of. Shit. He. Is.

Mollyollydolly · 02/07/2020 17:19

The fragrant Damian Barr said to send emails to
[email protected], [email protected]

I thought I'd cc in [email protected] - he's the Culture secretary apparently.

Might cc in Liz Truss too - it's all part of the same mess isn't it?