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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Moral Maze - Group Think - 1 July 2020 8pm - Radio 4

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stumbledin · 01/07/2020 17:29

I dont usually listen to this and when I have, have found it all a bit wordy. But JKR was mentioned as someone being targetted by group think so thought I would flag it up.

Blurb:

Major changes in the Civil Service are needed to tackle metropolitan ‘groupthink’ in government, according to Michael Gove. Sceptics are worried about the impact of all this on the political neutrality of our administrators. Beyond the walls of Whitehall, there are those in Britain who believe that ‘groupthink’ has become pestilential. The word was coined in the 1970s by social psychologist Irving Janis. It has come to refer to people who are passionate about a particular view of the world and who treat those who don’t share their values with contempt, or even hostility. Today, commentators talk also of ‘cancel culture’ – public denunciations of high-profile individuals whose beliefs are deemed to be incompatible with the prevailing moral orthodoxy. When ‘unacceptable’ private thoughts are made public, reputations can be trashed and jobs are sometimes lost. Those accused of this kind of ‘groupthink’ reject that criticism and believe that all public figures should be held accountable for their views. Once made public, they argue, those views can have a direct and adverse impact on people’s lives, so they become everybody’s business. Should a person’s legitimacy in public life be judged as much on what they think as how they behave? Is it possible to separate thoughts from deeds or are they intimately connected? Has social media robbed us of the ability to tolerate diversity of opinion, or is this talk of ‘the thought police’ hysterical? Is ‘groupthink’, as we have come to understand it, irrational, divisive and dangerous? Or does it merely describe an age-old phenomenon: a group of like-minded people uniting to campaign for a better world? With Dalia Gebrial, Paul Taylor, Rt Rev Dr David Walker and Toby Young.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000kfrd

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 01/07/2020 17:34

I've just heard this. My patience is wearing very thin with all these idiots but I'll try to listen in the hope it's a balanced rational discussion.

nauticant · 01/07/2020 20:08

Anne Mcelvoy - sometimes interesting
Matthew Taylor - nothing must upset the progressive applecart
Giles Fraser - often burbles away missing the point
Melanie Phillips - nothing needs to be said.

First guest, a gender academic and expert in decolonisation.

NonnyMouse1337 · 01/07/2020 20:08

Bump for those interested.

nauticant · 01/07/2020 20:14

Toby Young now on.

The present times are bent so badly out of shape I sometimes agree with him. Having written that I'm now thinking I need a shower.

Messageinateacup · 01/07/2020 20:22

I'm listening to it. The odd bit of sense in there!

Messageinateacup · 01/07/2020 20:24

JK mentioned just now.

Messageinateacup · 01/07/2020 20:25

Finally someone saying a "campaign of vilification".

terryleather · 01/07/2020 20:32

The present times are bent so badly out of shape I sometimes agree with him.

It's bloody horrifying isn't it? I've even found myself agreeing with Melanie Phillips on MM quite a few times in the last wee while...truly we are in the upside down.

Robbabank · 01/07/2020 20:33

The Leeds Uni lecturer speaking absolute sense!

Robbabank · 01/07/2020 20:35

Is he Paul Taylor?

Robbabank · 01/07/2020 20:36

Ah yes, Dr Paul Taylor.
What annoys me about the MM is how the panel often goes on to misinterpret And misrepresent what the witnesses have said. Let’s see.

stumbledin · 01/07/2020 20:48

Seriously who are these people and why are they commentating.

Do they all live in ivory towers or some bbc bubble.

I dont think the "witnesses" were in any way competent to talk about what is actually going on.

And the panel just wifted and wafted all over the place.

And then some sort of summing up thay implied group think is about the new order overthrowing the old.

Really sorry I posted this.

Thats 3/4hour out of live lost. Angry

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