“We risk imposing a singular idea of what a woman is”

[Areyouactuallyseriousrightnow]

If we judge people not according to their behaviour, but according to what some third party perceives as their sex and gender, we risk imposing a singular idea of what a “woman” is..

In the Guardian today. Yes how unthinkable that we might risk there being only one clear definition of what a woman is... one as simplistic as for example ‘adult female’?

[RealityBased]

We've got bigger issues to deal with than mere risks, surely!

For centuries, nay, millenia, we've been imposing a singular idea of what a "horse" is. And that's just fundamentally non-inclusive!

Won't someone think of poor Lila the cow, who's being cruelly excluded from his dream to compete at national level in show jumping?

Bloody bigots!

[DrDavidBanner]

Oh FFS!!!! this is all so much BS.
Thank you to whoever shared the Reddit thread this morning from the person diagnised with *. It makes this Guardian article so much easier to understand.

This is nothing to do with how 'feminine' women are and all about control of a narrative and I am absolutely sick and fucking tired of it. Honestly fuck em, fuck all to hell. No body believes it, nobody. Not one person. Try talking to someone who's not high on the kool aid or scared of losing their job about 'singular idea of a woman' and they'll think you've lost your mind.

[DrDavidBanner]

diagnised with * = diagnosed with the love which cannot be named

[DrDavidBanner]

Oh and everything @Michelleoftheresistance says. This is nothing about helping the lives of transgender people and everything about asserting power over women.

They do the wider trans community more harm than good with this behaviour.

[Justhadathought]

This "peculiar single idea" has been around for millennia...and that is that a woman is an adult human female.

[HH160bpm]

AllWashedOut
I think this echoes a fear of have about being questioned about my own womanhood. The younger trans women, ultra feminine, much more so than me but much more like other young women (makeup, uplift bras etc). Am I less of a woman? It feels like that to me recently.

Womanhood is not

Measured by your fertility
Measured by your femininity
Measured by external viewers value of your sexual attractiveness
Measured by how you perform role as a mother, life partner, carer, sister, daughter.

Are you an adult human female? Yes - you have achieved womanhood.

[HH160bpm]

We wonder what the motives are for women colluding with their oppression.

Look at this utter bilge. It’s like a handbook for the pick me dance.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Domesticity

Nazi germany -
www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z2932p3/revision/5

theconversation.com/why-did-women-vote-for-hitler-long-forgotten-essays-hold-some-answers-134481

Let’s not forget the post WW2 get back in the kitchen British propaganda, the men are back, your jobs are not yours, we are putting barriers in to stop you being employed, disabling the childcare we set up during the war and promotIng the nuclear family and woman as happy housewife and mother. Oh creating “women’s jobs” in the new NHS. Embedded structural inequity dressed up as opportunity.

[terryleather]

Another day another load of arsewash from the overlords.

D'you know what, I absolutely am going to "judge some people on their behaviour".

I'm going to judge males who won't take no for an answer, who make disingenuous bs "arguments" that have been heard thousands of times before and are still bs, who bleat about "inclusion" which means "centre me and my male sexual needs (or rather wants and preferences) at the expense of your own.

I am going to judge them and I am going to come to the conclusion that they do not understand nor care about boundaries or consent and therefore shouldn't be anywhere near female only spaces.

Once again I do not and will not worship at The Church Of The Great Hairy Prong. Die mad about it.

[QuentinWinters]

Thank you to whoever shared the Reddit thread this morning from the person diagnised with ???.

That thread has been deleted, don't know why it's weird that we can't talk about the love that can't be named

[Sexnotgender]

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

You know what's an unacceptably "singular idea of what a woman is"? That a woman is a person who performs femininity.

Pretty sure I’d fail at being a woman for 99% of the year if it’s based on performance femininity! I scrub up ok but generally live in skinny jeans and jumpers.

[bellinisurge]

In my fifties. Rarely "perform femininity". Never had a problem or given much of a shit about any of this until some knobs (literally) tried to squash biological reality with dogma.

[DrDavidBanner]

it's weird that we can't talk about the love that can't be named

Because when the Emperors new clothes come off you're left with a middle aged man with a receding hairline and a boner.

[terryleather]

"Because when the Emperors new clothes come off you're left with a middle aged man with a receding hairline and a boner."

[EyesOpening]

I'm a bit confused, I thought that legally TW weren't allowed in the women's toilets etc at the moment and it has been leaked that the law wasn't going to be changed? So these TW who have been safely accessing them (albeit illegally?) up to now without being called out, presumably as they haven't been doing anything inappropriate and have "passed" as women, will presumably be able to carry on doing this as nothing's changing?
I've never seen or heard about anyone challenging any "masculine looking women" in the toilets either, presumably because they weren't doing anything untoward either, (I'm aware that doesn't mean it hasn't happened though) so I expect that (still) wouldn't happen either?

[Datun]

@EyesOpening

I'm a bit confused, I thought that legally TW weren't allowed in the women's toilets etc at the moment and it has been leaked that the law wasn't going to be changed? So these TW who have been safely accessing them (albeit illegally?) up to now without being called out, presumably as they haven't been doing anything inappropriate and have "passed" as women, will presumably be able to carry on doing this as nothing's changing?
I've never seen or heard about anyone challenging any "masculine looking women" in the toilets either, presumably because they weren't doing anything untoward either, (I'm aware that doesn't mean it hasn't happened though) so I expect that (still) wouldn't happen either?

There is no law about toilets, eyes.

It's enforced by convention and cultural acceptance.

Lobby groups have made retailers and services frightened that they are breaching the equality act if they enforce sex segregation.

They're not.

[Datun]

@QuentinWinters

Thank you to whoever shared the Reddit thread this morning from the person diagnised with ???.

That thread has been deleted, don't know why it's weird that we can't talk about the love that can't be named

I've just won myself a tenner. I knew it would go.

Thereby proving the point of the person who had AGP in the first place.

[TyroSaysMeow]

Utterly unsurprised that other thread was deleted, although when I went out it was only on 27 posts and they all looked fine to me. Did it go ridiculous?

I shared the reddit link with the AGP ex; he said it's bang on the money and he agrees with every point.

[ChurchOfWokeApostate]

I'm a bit confused, I thought that legally TW weren't allowed in the women's toilets etc at the moment and it has been leaked that the law wasn't going to be changed

I don’t think that there is a law about who can enter public toilets, but I feel sure there are laws around same toilet provisions.

Eg don’t schools have to provide same sex facilities from the age of 8 upwards?

Hopefully someone will know the details of what I’m talking about

[contactusdeletus]

I think we should start a petition to get the Guardian to open comments on their transgender-themed articles. It's becoming truly ludicrous.

I really don't think this stuff would stand if they were getting reader feedback on it.

[Michelleoftheresistance]

I shared the reddit link with the AGP ex; he said it's bang on the money and he agrees with every point.

That's the bit that always makes me laugh. AGP doesn't exist - except for the people who define themselves as AGP.

It's getting more and more that there are facts and realities that are perfectly obvious, but we're all supposed to pretend not to see them.

[HopeClearwater]

That thread has been deleted, don't know why confused it's weird that we can't talk about the love that can't be named

Is there a way you can say what this is without getting this one pulled? I missed it.

[HarryHarry]

So a woman is defined by how she behaves...? Fucking hell. What the fuck is feminism for if we've ended up back here?

[DrDavidBanner]

@HarryHarry

So a woman is defined by how she behaves...? Fucking hell. What the fuck is feminism for if we've ended up back here?

See, this is what I can't get my head round. Its such a sheltered, short sighted, insular view.

Which version of 'gender conformity' are we adhereing too?
The expectations my grandmother faced were different to what I face, which is different to those that my younger relatives face.
Expectations of young women living in Saudi Arabia are a world away from the expectations of women living in London for example.

The idea that this means that women come in many forms to include males and at the same time denying the biological reality that all women regardless of faith, race, class etc face comes from the position of men who don't see women as fully formed people.

[TyroSaysMeow]

HopeClearwater check the acronym in the post right above yours.

[Areyouactuallyseriousrightnow]

I just wish those who have power, influence, and a voice, would just grow some nuts and just say what we are all, all thinking, because this is just so absurd it enrages me.
Honestly thank goodness for JKR, Glinner and their like though.