50:50 Parliament campaign to get more women MPs only asks for "gender identity" on diversity form!!

[stumbledin]

I think this group has been going for sometime 5050parliament.co.uk/ and sort of took it at face value. (silly me)

It turns out that their Diversity survey to get a more diverse Parliament doesn't think finding out someone's sex is important, but they do want to know your "gender identity".
docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScUG51UkH0qzq_sSlMvPFv4l-CcEkphTeGk_qI33ZRLFmHihg/viewform

So yes it does appear that the campaign for a 50:50 Parliament in fact isn't about getting 50% women into Parliament.

Natural consequence of "a woman is anyone who says they're a woman."

Under that definition, a Parliament comprising 50% males who say they're men and 50% males who say they're women has achieved gender parity.

Far easier to achieve the goal of half of Parliament being women when you define "woman" as "any male who's willing to stick a dress on and say he is one".

I believe they answered a question about whether they'd be happy with a Parliament that is 50:50 men/transwomen in the affirmative a couple of years ago. They've been down rabbit hole a while.

Well, I filled in the 'other' box for 'gender identity' and made some rather cross comments at the end. Summat to do on a wet Sunday afternoon.

@ErrolTheDragon

Well, I filled in the 'other' box for 'gender identity' and made some rather cross comments at the end. Summat to do on a wet Sunday afternoon.

Haha that’s what I do - gotta love those free text boxes!

@ValancyRedfern This makes me so angry. How dare they reduce womanhood to a handful of pronouns and a "feeling". Do they really expect to get fair representation of the population (which is what they claim this is about) without involving anyone who has experienced any of the sex-based issues that come with being female? I just can't believe any individual can genuinely think this (I wonder if those making the rules even do). It's completely bonkers.

(To your first post, that is!)

(Oh, wait, you only posted once — I'm going mad, sorry!)

Who is that form for?

Ooops! May have written a little essay there!

testing - as I quoted in my intro it is to ensure "diversity" of the campaign.

If you click on the link you see it says there:

"50:50 Diversity Survey
Please EVERYONE complete this survey. It takes less than a minute and will really help 50:50 campaign for a more Diverse Democracy. Massive thanks! From Frances and the 50:50 Diversity Team. "

Doesn't make any sense

They have 4 or 5 options for gender but want 50/50 representation :/

What will they count non binary people as in their calculations? Are there to be none of them in parliament? That's highly discriminatory :/

"Men outnumber women 2:1 in Parliament"

Is that too many women then, if they think that men should be able to identify as women?

Genderwoo in politics means more male diversity and/or leads to this kind of madness:

www.greenparty.org.uk/people/regional-council.html

The Green Party Regional Council
Regional Council Members:

GPRC Co-Chairs:
Self identifying Non-Male Co-Chair: Kat Driscoll (Wales)
Self identifying Non-Female Co-Chair: Rob Grant (West Midlands Region)

GPRC Co-Chairs:
Self identifying Non-Male Co-Chair: Kat Driscoll (Wales)
Self identifying Non-Female Co-Chair: Rob Grant (West Midlands Region)

Is that real ? So Kat is self identifying Non-Male ( means what? Is female or is a male and doesn’t want to be ? ) with, I think, female name and Rob is a Self Identifying Non-Female ( so a male or is a female who doesn’t want to be ) with probably a male name though I know a woman called Robyn, so maybe .......

Why would you identify yourself by what you are not ? It’s very long winded. Don’t they sort of cancel each other out - if they are looking for balance then they have two Nons of opposite types so sort of then.

I’m very confused........

Yes it's real, I wish I was making it up. GP adopted a 'non-male gender identity' target (I think it was Challenor's suggestion) and that is the outcome.

I'm not a mathematician by any means, but:

Men: 50% of the population; current male MPs 220/650 = 33.8%
Women: 50% of the population; current female MPs 430/650 = 68.2%

Men are over-represented, women are under-represented.

Transgender: 0.075% of the population
Even if only one transgender person gets elected: 1/650 = 0.15%
So even if one transgender person were elected, there would be twice as many trans people in parliament than is proportional to their numbers in the greater population.

The whole premise upon which the campaign is asking for 50:50 representation would not make sense, because the inclusion of even one transgender person would mess up percentages. (I'm not saying trans people shouldn't be elected, of course, but it puts things in perspective how much we hear about and from this minority).

• Argh, men and women are the other way around in the first part (bad editing) Men 68.2% of MPs Women 33.8% of MPs

@JellyfishandShells

*GPRC Co-Chairs: Self identifying Non-Male Co-Chair: Kat Driscoll (Wales) Self identifying Non-Female Co-Chair: Rob Grant (West Midlands Region)*

Is that real ? So Kat is self identifying Non-Male ( means what? Is female or is a male and doesn’t want to be ? ) with, I think, female name and Rob is a Self Identifying Non-Female ( so a male or is a female who doesn’t want to be ) with probably a male name though I know a woman called Robyn, so maybe .......

Why would you identify yourself by what you are not ? It’s very long winded. Don’t they sort of cancel each other out - if they are looking for balance then they have two Nons of opposite types so sort of then.

I’m very confused........

For decades it's been the practice for Green parties across Europe to have a pair of co-leaders - one male and one female. For example, the Green Party in England and Wales is currently led by Jonathan Bartley and Sian Berry; the one in France, by Alain Coulombel and Eva Sas; the one in Germany, by Annalena Baerbock and Robert Habeck; Scotland, Patrick Harvey and Lorna Slater.

Now, what I suspect happened is that someone came along and said this was unfair because no nonbinary-identifying person could ever become one of the co-leaders (unless the criterion was biological sex, which TRAs wouldn't like, either). Hence by making one of the positions non-male (i.e. either female-identifying or nonbinary) and the other one non-female (i.e. either male-identifying or nonbinary), they solve the problem...

I suspect that's the "thinking" behind the regional Greens' terminology.

Now, what I suspect happened is that someone came along and said this was unfair because no nonbinary-identifying person could ever become one of the co-leaders (unless the criterion was biological sex, which TRAs wouldn't like, either). Hence by making one of the positions non-male (i.e. either female-identifying or nonbinary) and the other one non-female (i.e. either male-identifying or nonbinary), they solve the problem..

Do they flip a coin about who identifies as what or rather is non- identifying as what - or who ? Or take turns? It really does look rather ridiculous.

I think you're right transdimensional, they just replaced the old gender (sex) balanced system with gender identity and it has to account for nonbinary as per their manifesto. What a mess.

I went to a talk by the women who set up the 50:50 campaign. It was at a feminist conference. She is a very committed and passionate women. She did it after her children left home (or were teens?) and totally came out of her comfort zone. She is an absolutely wonderful and completely ordinary women who set up something really powerful. My impression of her is that this is about her trying to do the right thing and get the lingo right for the modern age, rather than she has signed up to trans ideology per se. But maybe things have changed.

My impression is that she would have been like many people, ie happy to categorise/treat transwoman as women, because they are imagining old school post-operative transsexuals.

Has the woman who set it up realised that 50% men, 50 % transwomen meets the goal?

I don't know Shiny, I just heard her speak at a conference. My impression from that time is that this wasn't a question that would have been in her mind. She was a very empathetic woman from what I could tell, so I can imagine her wanting to see transwoman as woman as the kind thing to do. However, she was also very passionate about under-representation of women in parliament and so it is difficult to imagine her being on board with trans ideology.