A "fresh approach" New Stonewall boss

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www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/27/stonewall-new-boss-gender-transgender-rights-nancy-kelley

Some gems: Kelley said that her priority was to reach a broad consensus that trans people need protection and that reforms to the administrative process – “which makes little difference to anybody apart from trans people” – are treated as just that. (on GRC).

Just a bit of admin that doesn't affect any women's sex based rights at all then?

"For Stonewall to succeed, it doesn’t have to make people believe as it believes. What it has to do is make people support changes that make trans lives easier.” ... hmm but not women's lives ?

Be nice girls, move aside as per usual. You don't need to "believe" TWAW but you still have to treat TWAsW in every sphere, so access to toilets, female spaces, deny biological fact etc.

So this little bit of "administration" she's talking about - is she talking about Self ID?

It's no change. Its a pr stunt because they know stonewall are beginning to get a bit of an image problem which going forward might make them less fashionable.

Until they change the definition of homosexual from about gender identity to being about y'know sex then they are a sexist homophobic organisation no matter how many columns they have in the Guardian or how many poster they have promoting themselves or how many days there are in pride triplemonth.

I thought it was a heartening signal. It's perfectly legitimate for Stonewall to lobby for additions to trans people's legal rights - in the sense that that's a proper function for a lobby group or charity. What was never legitimate was Stonewall trying to enforce a complete redefinition of femaleness. And the aggressively unpleasant, bullying tone they were taking about this fundamental redefinition of 'woman' was gaslighting par excellence.

If Kelley has noticed that and is correcting the course I think that's quite hopeful. It's a very different tone and hopefully signals a willingness to acknowledge women's lived reality.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I thought she sounded pretty sensible and that under her leadership, there was the possibility that the toxicity of this situation would lessen. I agree that it sounds hopeful.

You obviously missed her tweet where, if I recall correctly, she used the word Nazis to disparage the gender critical position. I can’t remember the exact wording but its on another thread from earlier this week. I’ll see if I can find it.

There’s a screengrab on this thread in OvaHere’s 17.37 post yesterday: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3951196-New-stonewall-boss-says-she-wants-to-defuse-toxic-trans-issue#prettyPhoto

My bad - she refers to “anti trans moral panic” in the same sentence as talking about fascists and racists doing Nazi salutes. So much better...

I don't think there's a reason to believe she was referring to all gender-crit feminism. There literally were people throwing Nazi salutes on the streets, and there literally are some people on Twitter who are hatefully anti-trans. (Just as there are hateful misogynists).

I'm so tired of the bad faith and nastiness that surrounds this topic. If Stonewall is going to take a step back on the rhetoric and signal a course correction I'm going to give Kelley the benefit of the doubt for now.