Meg-John Barker

[CurtainWitcher]

A friend has suggested I read some articles and books by Dr Meg-John Barker to 'cure' my gender criticism.

Has anyone read any of her (?) work, and what did you think?

There's a graphic novel about gender identity I need to look at apparently.

The things I remember about meg John are

Partner of 'I'm non binary but I'm in the masons and let's quietly let the men into anything carved out for women in city of London' Edward lord

Wrote something saying there's no essential difference between male and female genitals - cock/ clit- only difference is size with most people lying somewhere in the middle.... ????!!!!????

And of course working with someone who believes that paedophiles are the most oppressed sexuality

I think that's it...

Meg John Barker is listed as a graduate practitioner of the Urban Tantra programme.
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She keeps interesting company is all I can say

I am not familiar with all of these people but many are involved in sex cults, 3 that I know of are involved as recruiters for the odious Deer Tribe, some in other dangerous cults known to me.

Some of these practitioners are escorts, some are professional dominatrixes, most if not all combine sex work with psychotherapy and claim to be able to heal vulnerable people of sexual trauma via intimate / internal massage or other sexual activities including “conscious kink” / BDSM.

Personally I am less concerned about people being sex workers, providing that they are not forced or coerced into sex work, and much more concerned about people promoting and using sexual activity as a form of psychotherapy. This is abusive and dangerous IMO. There is also significant potential for compromising / sensitive personal information to be harvested by sinister actors.

Readers may find the available pages on Urban Tantra’s international and UK representatives informative and worthy of further research
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20160821004827/urbantantraprofessionaltrainingprogram.com/the-international-team/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20160821004827/urbantantraprofessionaltrainingprogram.com/the-international-team/

Meg John Barker is also an associate of Dominic Davies of Pink Therapy, an absolutely fascinating person.

I have many very serious concerns about Pink Therapy and its links to sex cults and dubious individuals who claim to heal people from trauma and mental illness or to promote wellness via having sex with them.

Any readers interested in researching Pink Therapy and sex cults may find themselves overwhelmed with too much information. I believe that a good place to start might be a page from Dominic Davies’s blog in which he addresses the issue of vulnerable men struggling with an addiction to chemsex.

The below article includes the following text (emphasis mine):

"I’m also wondering if some of the forms of sexual intimacy and sexual healing that exist out there might help people discover sexual intimacy sober. I’m thinking of some of the work done by Gay Tantra masseurs or Kundalini yoga teachers, by the practitioners at Authentic Eros and Gay Love Spirit or the upcoming Quintessential Queer Hearted festival or in October the Love Spirit festival happening later this year and people skilled with playing with sexual energy at Queer Conscious Sex. There is also playing with power and sensation through consensual BDSM. You might also want to consider erotic hypnosis which can create altered states of consciousness and mindfulness meditation too. All of these I’ve found to be able to change the experience of sex and one’s relationship to one’s body.

I’d encourage those of you struggling to have sex sober to explore these kinds of things. I’d also urge queer practitioners of any of these different disciplines to offer their services to build a body of knowledge and experience of what works. I’d really love to hear more about this from anyone on the journey.”

At the end of the article he adds

"I’ve no direct connection to the groups I’ve linked to here, other than knowing they exist and having met some of the people involved as well as some of the people who’ve benefitted from the experience."

source:
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200628212530/pinktherapyblog.com/2014/06/09/sober-sex-some-ideas-for-moving-forwards/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200628212530/pinktherapyblog.com/2014/06/09/sober-sex-some-ideas-for-moving-forwards/

also see:

ms-my.facebook.com/PinkTherapy/posts/solo-tantra-for-gaybi-menin-may-11-and-12th-nick-kientsch-is-hosting-a-somatic-b/10157308046261096/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190416193103/pinktherapyblog.com/tag/tantra/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190416193103/pinktherapyblog.com/tag/tantra/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200626082547/londoncentralcounselling.com/2018/03/25/pink-therapys-sex-work-and-psychotherapy-conference-history-in-the-making/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200626082547/londoncentralcounselling.com/2018/03/25/pink-therapys-sex-work-and-psychotherapy-conference-history-in-the-making/

Readers may also be interested to know that Dominic Davies is a long time associate of “Professor” Andrew Samuels, a controversial figure who was the keynote speaker at the opening of the Pink Therapy Conference: Queer Analysis in 2004 where he delivered an address titled “Queer Therapy: a new standard of excellence” (I could think of better names for it lol)

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@LunaNorth

Meg one day and John the other?

What the..?

Why can’t these people just get up, put their jumpers on and just go and have a day?

Jesus.

Yeah I'd say Meg-John's partnership with Edward Lord is damning enough without all the other rank stuff.

Two highly privileged members of the elite class deciding which women's rights (that vulnerable women depend on) they should destroy first.

In earlier posts I have demonstrated the connections of Meg John Barker and Pink Therapy founder Dominic Davies to the Urban Tantra organisation

I just thought that readers might be interested to know that Diva Magazine has also been promoting this organisation

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140915021246/www.divamag.co.uk/category/lifestyle/sexlife-feeding-the-fire,-part-3.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20140915021246/www.divamag.co.uk/category/lifestyle/sexlife-feeding-the-fire,-part-3.aspx

Has a bit of a thing going on about Northern adult human females, if I recall his very long definition of 'woman' correctly.

That's strange. I asked MNHQ if they could amend my post because I'd accidentally referred to Meg John using sex based pronouns & I didn't want that being used as a pretext to get the whole post removed. But the whole post has been deleted. Perhaps I was mistaken and MN don't do amends?

My post was about MJB's influence at BACP. They have amended their declaration on conversion therapy to include trans (even though arguably affirming trans children's identities seems to be a way of stopping them being gay). This is problematic because normal therapy involves investigating the root cause, relational problems, home life, peer relationships, trauma history etc. But it is seen as transphobic to even question that a child's declaration of being trans is anything other than an expression of their innate gender ID. Therapists and counsellors I know through work say they are now afraid of being given trans clients because they are put in a position to affirm only or risk being struck off. But unquestioning affirmation, as well as being ethically dubious, could lead to being sued at a later date if a child detransitions and regrets irreversible actions taken.

There is real risk of childhood sexual abuse going undetected if professionals are stifled like this. We already know that children alter their bodies in response to sexual abuse - such as by overeating to hide behind a bigger body or starving themselves to avoid secondary sex characteristics.

Thanks so much, everyone. Fascinating reading.

MJ seems like a deluded fool and is really rather creepy.

Therapists and counsellors I know through work say they are now afraid of being given trans clients because they are put in a position to affirm only or risk being struck off.

Struck off?

By which organisation?

The UKCP, the BACP and various other accrediting organisations are refuges for cultists and predators.

The way I see it is like this; back in the day the PIE attempted to infiltrate various organisations and partially succeeded.

They partially achieved their aims using a children's rights argument in which they posited that children were capable of giving consent to sexual relationships with adults and that to deny children this right was child abuse.

Certain politicians and organisations bought into this lie and ended up with red faces and a reputation as defenders of paedophiles.

Today we see the same argument only this time it is trans rights and the argument is that children have the maturity and capacity to seek hormones and / or surgery to "transition".

Those of us who are old enough to remember this shit the first time round are wise to it.

Your friends need to ask themselves which side of history they want to be on.

If one of the counselling / psychotherapy accrediting organisations even looks like striking anyone off over this issue we can hit them where it hurts and expose their vile hypocrisy for allowing sexual predators to carry on practicing while striking off (or threatening to) mental health professionals concerned with safeguarding.

The UKCP, the BACP and various other accrediting organisations are refuges for cultists and predators.

For the avoidance of doubt

I am aware of many well intentioned counsellors and psychotherapists who are members of he UKCP and BACP

I am referring to therapists such as Martin Jelfs and Richard Evans Lacy (to name but 2 of many) who are fairly open about their use of "sexual healing" within their therapy practise but who the UKCP were unconcerned about.

Re the BACP, just look at their promotion of Meg John Barker

Good, decent therapists who are concerned about safeguarding need to take a stand and they need to do it urgently

This is an old thread but I'm grateful for it. Barker co-wrote my uni materials this year. They link to their website (Uni materials recommend going to their site) on which we're told that sex is a spectrum cos there's more than XX and XY chromosomes and encouraged to look at how our gender has changed throughout our lives. And it's presented as fact, not an alternative viewpoint.

I'm guessing the government's new advice for schools doesn't extend to universities...

Are you doing gender studies then GCStudent?

As a woman "assigned northern at birth", do I get a free pass on being extremely rude about MJB?

(For those not familiar with this, MJB once wrote a piece claiming that womanhood lay in the performance of barbie-doll ersatz femininity, except for women from the North of England, who were be allowed to be a bit rough round the edges on account of cultural issues and - I presume - basically being rough as fuck and brassy blondes along the lines of barmaids in Corrie. I am now laying claim to "northern privilege" here.)

Winesalot No not gender studies! Gender appears in our course this year though. I've not even looked at that part of the course material yet though because I'm actually dreading it.

@Melroses

Has a bit of a thing going on about Northern adult human females, if I recall his very long definition of 'woman' correctly.

This is what I think of when I hear the name. The idea that Northern Woman is its own gender ID.

Sexist AND classist!!

I'm so sorry @GCStudent - but take heart - there are also very many of us lecturers who feel the same way as you do about the infiltration of a Gender ideology that is intellectually incoherent at best and downright pernicious at worst. If your lecturer isn't adding pronouns to their email (and the great majority don't), they are not buying this rubbish. We tend to keep quiet though because activists have great form of reporting anyone with wrongthink for harm...

@GCStudent

Winesalot No not gender studies! Gender appears in our course this year though. I've not even looked at that part of the course material yet though because I'm actually dreading it.

Yeah. I hear you. But maybe it will be very informative and you never know, you might find plenty of new people who share your thoughts. Good luck.

@dumpling23

I'm so sorry *@GCStudent* - but take heart - there are also very many of us lecturers who feel the same way as you do about the infiltration of a Gender ideology that is intellectually incoherent at best and downright pernicious at worst. If your lecturer isn't adding pronouns to their email (and the great majority don't), they are not buying this rubbish. We tend to keep quiet though because activists have great form of reporting anyone with wrongthink for harm...

This is like a sort of balsam to read. Thanks for posting. I've been so stressed about committing "wrong-think" in this - which should be ridiculous in an academic setting, but... I'm not intending anything political, I just want to study and learn from different opinions that are based on fact and not be afraid that a well backed up idea isn't enough because the idea is disagreeable you someone. You've restored my faith that this year could be ok!

Yeah. I hear you. But maybe it will be very informative and you never know, you might find plenty of new people who share your thoughts. Good luck.
Thank you. I don't actually mind people disagreeing with me, it's more stimulating than being surrounded by people who think what I do. I guess where that falters is when they stray into the world of fiction (at best) and I'm supposed to treat it as fact!