Harrop and Harry Potter

[Thegenderbreadperson]

Harrop and pals are outraged, outraged I tell you about these parents gaslighting their child, and thinks that it is a safeguarding issue...

He can’t even see it’s a parody of a transgender child, the absolute tool

twitter.com/adrianharrop/status/1276422829240696837?s=21

I am not allowed to post screenshots yet as a long time lurker as only just joined, and I was surprised that nobody has mentioned this, but then he’s probably got everyone blocked...!

I read this forum a lot, but few I lack knowledge of feminism to contribute, and yes - I also worry for my career and the cancel culture. As a healthcare professional, I was forced to sit through “sexual health training” which mostly consisted of trans rhetoric using the genderbread person, and the cis word. I was querying cis and said I didn’t agree to be labelled as such and it was unnecessary, and had a complaint made to my manager made by the trainer about my “aggression” during training - I work in healthcare - biology matters!

I don’t call myself a feminist, but thanks to JKR, Baroness Nicholson and @Glinner there is sunlight being poured onto this issue and women like me are waking up to this insidious eroding of ours and our daughter’s rights, and are pushing back.

It's stuff like this that makes me think that Harrop and his whole persona is just a massive troll. He knows the parallels here. He posts this sort of stuff very deliberately.

What a sad, sad little man.

Harrop is transitioning from blatant misogyny to leaden satire. I assume it's an attempt to keep relevant but with an eye on the GMC.

Since we are all blocked here's a SS.
Just for reference.

I don't like to discuss Haddock too much here as it just stokes the ego but shows that NO ONE can tell what is parody anymore.

He can’t even see it’s a parody of a transgender child, the absolute tool

honestly I think he can - he is just making a dig at religion.

He knows exactly what that post it and I think he's hiding behind religion. By making a parallel with it, he's looking to garner the same respectability,support ,understanding and discrimination rules.

It's a calculated move, looking for his "AHA! Gotcha!" moment.

So parents lying to their kids isnt ok then?

Erm...

I'll just quote Dr Harrop from that thread

they’re still being indoctrinated with views that many would legitimately say are false, bizarre & harmful, both to them & to others.

it’s clearly going to have devastating consequences on this child’s mental health, and could ultimately destroy whatever trusting relationship they have with their parents. such a cruel thing to do. treating a child like some psychological play-thing for their own entertainment.

I understand that there’s all types of evidence to back up a lot of what a number of religions say about all manner of things. it‘s more the forced indoctrination i was concerned about in this particular case.

How can he not see the parallel with trans kids?

This is the Reddit he is commenting on:

TL/DR: We have raised our almost 8 yr old daughter to believe she's a Witch from an old Wizarding family. We're looking for more sophisticated and creative ideas from the r/HarryPotter community to keep this thing going.

Since our daughter was 5 and my wife and I first started reading her the Harry Potter books we have told her that she is a witch and that the Wizarding World is real. She is almost 8 and as her questions have gotten deeper, we've kept building the illusion with more details about our family genealogy and its connection to book characters, stories about times we used magic (and the life and moral lessons we learned about it). She has processed many difficult subjects like racism, climate change and even the Coronavirus through this lens.

Before other parents judge or lecture :We know its gas-lighting and that eventually she'll have be disappointed and have trust issues with us when she learns the truth. We justify it that we are adding magic to her childhood, and giving her motivation to reach her full (magical) potential (since she needs to study hard to be accepted to Hogwarts). We've asked serious questions of her teachers and they think its more awesome and creative than damaging. (At the very worst case, my take is that its analogous to children being raised to believe that traditional religious stories are true and that when the truth hits it will teach her to ask critical questions and not accept everything she hears or reads at face value.)

We're looking for more ideas for how to inject little bits of Harry Potter magic into every day life using technology, crafts and adding more details to the fanfic that is our lives.

''and had a complaint made to my manager made by the trainer about my “aggression” during training - I work in healthcare - biology matters!''

What??? You rejected their ideological 'training'!!! They probably complained about your 'aggression' because they had nothing else on you.

I will try and explain, but this is quite oblique as I fear for my job.

I work in a Health capacity in a high school, think mental health / TIS support, it is very much integrated working with school staff and social care.

We had been concerned at the large number of trans students, mostly FtM, and that we were I adequately trained in gender identity issues to support them. So this half day training was arranged, run by a very woke man who incessantly referred to his husband and their sex life. First the ridiculous genderbread person was presented, Then was very much affirmation is the only intervention else the school will get sued, other students have to tolerate trans students in their spaces or otherwise use a different space, TWAW and then the “cis” word was used - nobody at training knew what it meant so it involved a lengthy explanation that boiled down to it means you identify with your gender “assigned” at birth. As a health trained professional this made me aghast - biology matters in health, sex isn’t “assigned” it is observed, males and females have different preventative health checks as well as different physiology. I politely put my hand up and said that I rejected that label, that I felt angry a label was being imposed on me without my consent and if trans women are women and I am a cis woman where does that leave women and our sex based rights as a protected characteristic (the lurking paid off). He basically called me an uneducated bigot with outdated ideas - I felt hectored and singled out from then on and my views and contributions were brushed off. After the session all but one of the participants came up to me and said it was a load of b*llocks, and ridiculous. When I asked why they hadn’t backed me up they more or less said they didn’t want to be targeted and bullied by the trainer like I was.

Obviously a complaint went into management as apparently I disrupted the session in an aggressive way. Luckily my manager didn’t think I had done anything wrong, as I had respectfully questioned and there was no disciplinary. I was clear to my manager I wouldn’t back down, that it could go the Professional registration body for all I cared, that I can’t be forced to agree with something I don’t believe in.

On a side note - we have found out during weekly phone calls home that since lockdown that most of our FtM students have de transitioned, perhaps as there is no longer the group peer pressure. Let’s see if it continues when they return on September.

That is the second time I've read about teenage girls detransitioning in lockdown.

On a side note - we have found out during weekly phone calls home that since lockdown that most of our FtM students have de transitioned, perhaps as there is no longer the group peer pressure. Let’s see if it continues when they return on September

That’s really interesting. And well done for standing your ground!

That is the second time I've read about teenage girls detransitioning in lockdown.

May be worthy of its own thread, and not under a Haddock thread title? Perhaps it’s due to the strengthening of family ties, being at home more with both parents, lack of having to keep up with trends, no peer pressure, no group reinforcement, reassessing of values and what matters?

*or one parent, sorry single mums, I should know better as I am one! - I should have said they have been having more adult role model time.

Do you have any links to this being discussed anywhere else? (Detransitioning during lockdown) -sorry I know it ya but if a derail. I can’t really be doing with Harrop’s efforts to appear as anything other than fixated for the sake of his GMC reg, but that’s very interesting...

On another note, it may be worth me subscribing to premium so I can edit my autocorrect failures

peer pressure or affirmation by the whole school community, including many teachers?

Sorry, I don’t have any links, and currently it is only anecdotal information linked to the one school I am in, Although someone up thread mentioned they had seen somebody mention this elsewhere too.

There were nine girls out of a approx 160 student year 9 cohort who identified as boys. Seven have now de transitioned since lockdown and one is considering it.

On a side note - we have found out during weekly phone calls home that since lockdown that most of our FtM students have de transitioned, perhaps as there is no longer the group peer pressure. Let’s see if it continues when they return on September.

There were nine girls out of a approx 160 student year 9 cohort who identified as boys. Seven have now de transitioned since lockdown and one is considering it.

That is both brilliant to hear and desperately sad at the same time. Brilliant that these girls have been given an escape route via lockdown, and so desperately sad to think how many children who might have done the same are now too far down the line to do the same.

Out of those nine I would have said three of them weren’t as committed as the others and had said they were “thinking about being non binary”, but were keen to remain part of that friendship group. It really is infectious.

I think a lot of people struggle to understand just how stuff like this spreads through teen girl friendship groups. I used to be a secondary teacher and I've seen it with various different things - bisexuality (back in the early - mid 2000s, you never hear/ see it now, it's no longer cool), anorexia, bulimia, self harm, and now trans & non binary. Very much a recognised phenomena among staff, we always had to be so careful about how much we allowed in terms of peer support when invariably it would lead to those girls moving from supporting their friend to adopting the behaviour / identity themselves.

I've said to DH that if this shit is still around when our dd's are older, we're moving to a remote Scottish island with no internet the minute I get concerned about either one of them.

There were nine girls out of a approx 160 student year 9 cohort who identified as boys. Seven have now de transitioned since lockdown and one is considering it.
That is extraordinary & shows how important it is to keep fighting the takeover of schools.

I’m so sorry you were treated so badly by that “trainer” & disappointed that your colleagues didn’t speak up for you. It all shows there are more of us than you think

I retesting article on the social contagion aspect here: nypost.com/2020/06/27/how-peer-contagion-plays-into-the-rise-of-teens-transitioning/

I remember the self-harm trend, it was around 2012. You’d get one girl come to you about injuring themselves, then they would bring a friend to their support session and then next thing that friend would be cutting and needing support and so it would spread..... it got so many that we suggested to CAMHS we maybe could do a support group as we didn’t have the time/staff to see them all and were advised that group sessions would be useless as that just encourages them to carry on with peer endorsement, and even get competitive about who self harms the most.