Australian Women (and everyone who feels like a woman) in STEM

[gardenbird48]

The Australian Academy of Science, for their Women in STEM programme have now defined woman as: "anyone who identifies as a woman, including cisgender (personal gender identity corresponds with sex assigned at birth) and transgender (personal gender identity does not correspond with sex assigned at birth) it also extends to intersex and non-binary individuals." I am a bit mystified as to why they list intersex (nothing to do with trans) and non-binary - they don't identify as either so why put them in with a rather crowded 'women' category?

So there is no longer a Women in STEM program. There's a 'people who are women and other people too' program.

Women's rights and needs are so 20th C.

Do they mention what you are if you don't have a gender identity? Maybe there could be a special category for people who are in the category historically known as 'women' who don't have a gender identity. This group could be called "women".

Then there could be another group for Genderists in STEM. This has the advantage of people in STEM thus self-identifying as being easily swayed by woo and chanting.

absolutely! and as a helpful person on another thread (not sure if it is ok to tag people from others threads?) pointed out, how would it look if it was a programme to encourage ethnic minorities into STEM but allowed anyone else who 'identified as such' in as well... completely meaningless. We just have to hope that our government doesn't go down the route of the Australian government into self-id TWAW etc and the posters on other thread might be facing legal action for objecting to the Drag Queen for children Story Time (like Katrina Tait in NSW)

So it's for anyone.

I predict it will be filled with MRAs who are angry about women getting 'special treatment'.

Incels in IT will love it.

They really will.

I read about this earlier and am trying to think how I can best respond. Maybe an email but it will probably be ignored.

How can you encourage women into STEM when a man who says he feels like a woman will probably be given preferential treatment? So tired of this pandering to peoples’ identity.

Ah yes. The Any Fucker in STEM Program.

www.science.org.au/supporting-science/diversity-and-inclusion/gender-equity

Lol anyfucker stem progamme sums it up,

There is a petition asking the science people to stand up for women.

www.ipetitions.com/petition/anyone-can-be-a-woman

gardenbird48 - You might not be so far off as you think: I filled in a survey yesterday which asked me if I identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander.

(The "gender" question offered me a choice of male, female, "other" (nonbinary etc.). Unfortunately it was an online survey, so I couldn't cross out "gender" and substitute sex. I suspect this question is going to skew the results and make them meaningless, especially as the survey was on peoples experiences of working from home!)

So non binary people are defined as women too? Wonder how they'd feel about that.

[quote DancelikeEmmaGoldman]There is a petition asking the science people to stand up for women.

www.ipetitions.com/petition/anyone-can-be-a-woman[/quote]
Thank you DancelikeEmma.

BinkyandBunty - No, they've been "othered". Literally.

Why don’t they just have separate categories for women and gender diverse people?

Well yes. But that never happens.

The whole movement is piggybacking on years and years of campaigning, fund raising, lobbying etc etc by other groups.

Both feminism and LGB have somehow been persuaded to priotise this group even though ideologically it harms them both.

That's why you won't get a separate group for gender diverse people. The things that have been carved out for women/ LGB people are already set up and should just be handed over. No effort on the part of this lobby. No consideration for other groups who are discriminated against.

Generally oppressed groups stick up for each other or at least understand a bit more. These people show time and time again they have no care for anyone else.

Why everyone is going yeah great is beyond me.

Why don’t they just have separate categories for women and gender diverse people?

Maybe in reality they don't have enough of the latter to make a category of their own?

Their 'definition' is ridiculous...'cisgender' (ugh) don't 'identify' as women, they just are women. Intersex women don't 'identify' as women, they are women. Nonbinary women are women but don't identify as women.

And that is the crux of the issue.

Do women and girls, around the world, need an extra hand to make up for the millennia of oppression due to their sex? The fact they are still discriminated against?

Or, do they need a hand up because they internally identify as a girl/ woman?
How does this work in countries where this has not really been heard of yet? Is a girl who does not get to go to school while her brother does, denied her education due to her sex, or her gender id?

I've not yet seen this type of question addressed by any activists.

If it is sex why is that recognised in one country by the activists, but not another?

When it comes to the missing millions, how do people know which are the ones to get rid of and which to keep?

I mean just so many examples.

On a thread the other day, someone was using intersex (common apparently) to explain why sex was 'complicated' and therefore it was not a reliable thing to base anything on.

I said well with the girls who were taken by boko haram. They knew which ones to take, and when they came back they were almost all pregnant. If things with humans are not so cut and dried, how did they guess so well?

The people who are pushing this. Don't seem to have much to say about things from a global and historical context for women and girls. I don't get it. And these views have been adopted wholesale by feminist orgs etc.

It's really depressing tbh.

ShinyFootball, I’d say organisations that call themselves feminist but say TWAW, ie prioritising men over women, are by definition not feminist. Too bad they won’t acknowledge the absurdity of their position. It’s the Women’s Equality Party whose TWAW policy really amazes me: presumably all you need is more men self-IDing.

Girl guides is the one that gets me TBH

The entire point of them is to give space to girls