Ash Sarkar - twitter really is grim

[Xanthangum]

The story is in the papers now: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/reading-stabbings-muslim-journalist-death-22227933

I'm diametrically opposed to Ash's views on some issues. But this is quite clearly a) racist bullying, b) misogynistic bullying and c) people using a very horrible incident to unleash their own prejudiced vile viewpoints.

@Dido

See, I thought that was all a front?

If people were going to be banned for dick pandering in relation to the JK Rowling affair, that'd be a pretty long list.

If people were going to be banned for dick pandering in relation to the JK Rowling affair, that'd be a pretty long list

And that's just the staff.....

The fact that men and their misogyny has reached terrorist levels and yet social media does naff all about their horrendous comments boggles my mind. This woman goes on about "terfs" but she absolutely doesn't deserve any of this. Maybe now she will figure out that men will never be on her side.

Maybe now she will figure out that men will never be on her side.

I don't think so. Because having queered gender and deconstructed sex she's stripped herself of the intellectual tools necessary to make the sort of systematic class analysis that would enable her to connect the dots (kind of ironic in a self-declared Marxist).

Having said that, it is still absolutely fucking terrible what's being done to her. I may disagree with her politics, but nothing justifies this level of attack and threats of violence.

That's the thing about being a feminist though - I want to protect all women, even the ones who don't understand why I'm doing it or who won't thank me for it.

This isn't Ash's first rodeo when it comes to death threats from racists. Probably worse than anything before, but she's been singing from the TWAW handbook for a long time whilst also simultaneously experiencing misogyny and racism.

@CaraDune

I don't think so. Because having queered gender and deconstructed sex she's stripped herself of the intellectual tools necessary to make the sort of systematic class analysis that would enable her to connect the dots (kind of ironic in a self-declared Marxist).

Having said that, it is still absolutely fucking terrible what's being done to her. I may disagree with her politics, but nothing justifies this level of attack and threats of violence.

That's what I don't understand. It is as though two different trains of thought, that oppose one another in analytical precision, simultaneously exist for them in the same logical space, when they can't. It's a false paradigm. By one of their own analytical, logical premises. It doesn't make sense.

serenada

*@DidoLamenting

What? claiming to be a Communist ? It's bad enough if she genuinely believes Communism is a viable form of government- that's just deluded. But if it's just a front because she thinks it’s a cool thing to say that takes stupidity to a new level.

That's exactly what it is.

To be fair to Ash as well, a lot of the abuse she's getting is from white women because of her skin colour and religion, which probably confuses the issue somewhat. It's not just stemming from male rage against women.

I'm no fan of hers but christ the shit she has had thrown at her is truly vile, the level of mental gymnastics these trolls are making to to try and make her out to be some kind of terrorist cheerleader is disgusting and insane.

Perhaps now she will have more compassion for people like JKR and condemn this sort of vile abuse

Compassion for (white) women really is not in her purview.

She doesn't deserve death threats.

Yes, I know but I heard her on QT ? ages ago and she actually came across well which made me think the rest is an act that she plays for airplay? and that her thing is to actually be able to hold a good argument, from a reasoned position, when needed. She is playing on the stereotype of an angry, irrational woman of colour and leads an opponent into a debate on the basis that they react to that.

Maybe I have got it wrong.

Also how did the fact that Libya exports oranges become some sort of mad racist signifier?

Yes. This is what I really don't get about this? It would have to be understood in exactly the same way by both Ash and these racists for the story of her goading about these murders to be plausible. I think people are losing the plot!

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

That's the thing about being a feminist though - I want to protect all women, even the ones who don't understand why I'm doing it or who won't thank me for it.

This.

I hope she's ok and has some really good RL support.

Why do twitter allow posts that clearly abuse their T&Cs to stand for so long?

Is it because there are so many that they can't cope?

@merrymouse

I think the publicity sends more traffic their way so they are happy (privately)

I don’t think they actually want to ban anyone really - they just cave to mass reporting. The business model wants as many members as possible, so banning en masse negatively effects that main aim.

The way Twitter works seems to bring out the worst in people in a way that say Facebook and Instagram do not (the mass pile-on phenomenon is enabled by Twitter’s functionality. It’s much harder to create a mob on other platforms).

Personally I think it should be allowed to die a death, but that would take ‘Blue ticks’ ceasing to use it.

I have an account but I don’t use it (more to stop someone else impersonating me than for any other reason)

There is an enlightening Joe Rogan podcast episode with the Twitter founder and a twitter lawyer and Tim Pool. Pool asks pointedly about Megan Murphy, by name, and the lawyer gives a master class answer in ‘admit nothing’.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCBRHOg3PQ

Link to episode mentioned above.

I hope Sarkar has good friends and a supportive family around her today. Must be shit to be in the firing line like this, even thinking about it sends my anxiety skyrocketing :/

The oranges are something that are supposed to be in The Godfather to signify various deaths In the films.

I read it somewhere on Facebook yesterday. It was news to me.

Oh yes, I do remember that there is some orange symbolism in The Godfather, but somehow I still think Sarkar was simply referencing her orange ice lolly.

Smear grasping dickheads, the lot of them.

Cannot stand Ash Sarkar, but the amount of racist and misogynist abuse she gets on Twitter is absolutely vile. And in this case, utterly fucking bizarre! 3 oranges?

Oh yes, I do remember that there is some orange symbolism in The Godfather, but somehow I still think Sarkar was simply referencing her orange ice lolly.

It's batshit.

No one deserves this on social media but it happens. Twitter needs to do something about the abuse dished out to all women.

YY. I know Ash Sarkar would probably exempt GC women from this, because she's not a very nice person, but I definitely second what kittens said:

"That's the thing about being a feminist though - I want to protect all women, even the ones who don't understand why I'm doing it or who won't thank me for it"