Help please! Need info re. trans-women assault statistics

[Estraya]

I've finally come out as gender-critical on fb in response to some trans propaganda a friend posted and I'm getting piled on. I've used the 'It will never happen resource thread' to help me - thank you very much for that. I've one comment left to reply to:
"Do you have any figures to prove that a higher prpoportion of Trans-women sexually assualt women than cis-women?"

Can anyone help me find data/information on this?

Thanks in advance!

Please do not use the term ‘c**’. It is highly offensive.

I am not a subset of something a man has decided he is or wants to be. I am a woman.

Rowantrees you are absolutely right. However, as a counter to the bad faith questions asking women to justify maintaining the integrity of female only spaces it may sometimes have a place as it will almost never be able to be proved and may shut down an argument at least for a while.

Tens of thousands of women and girls in this country are harmed in some way by men every year. Millions and millions throughout the world. Those men should not be allowed into women’s spaces, regardless of how they identify, what they feel like, what they want, how they look or choose to dress, or what title they have thought of to describe themselves, or misappropriated.

As there is absolutely no way of sorting the good from the indifferent from the very bad indeed, all men must be excluded.

Even if there was a way to sort and define and establish that all the relevant men were good, decent, kind men, they still should not be allowed to enter women’s spaces, because a male presence, however benign, is very directly harmful to a certain number of women. A male presence, however benign, is not comfortable for women and girls in their very private, vulnerable spaces. Decent men all know this. Which is why they do not want to be in women’s spaces.

As there is absolutely no way of sorting the good from the indifferent from the very bad indeed, all men must be excluded.

Ralph Lucas is a Conservative back bencher in The House of Lords.
May 5th 2020 he published clarification he had received from the government of the definition used for man and woman. This is based in Equality Act 2010
twitter.com/LordLucasCD/status/1257642470692868097

Lord Lucas wrote,

"Definitions. The government has helpfully pointed out the definitions that they use

"Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'

"Woman": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A female of any age'"

It may be useful in many circumstances to apply such definitions (respectfully) in order to make the sense and implications clearer. This is particularly relevant in circumstances which concern the Safeguarding of children or Vulnerable Adults. This of course is pertinent to the rights of 'females of any age' in single sex services or spaces.

As "Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'" therefore surely a male of any age may thus, and should for clarity, be described as a man?

Thank you all so much! I'm taking a break from dealing with comments for real life stuff during the day but I'll be back on there this evening armed with more information from you all.

I already pointed out that I'm more concerned about allowing access to predatory males of any kind rather than saying that trans-women specifically are a danger and that trans-women commit crime at male rates not female, but I think people are just ignoring the bits of my comments that they don't want to see. I don't think I'll ever convince the aggressive TWAW types to think anything different but I'm hoping there are other people reading and maybe being woken up to this stuff, like I was by reading threads here.

I think people are just ignoring the bits of my comments that they don't want to see. I don't think I'll ever convince the aggressive TWAW types to think anything different but I'm hoping there are other people reading and maybe being woken up to this stuff, like I was by reading threads here.

This recent speech in the Australian Senate by Claire Chandler is an excellent clear summary of the issues.

Those who are attacking women standing up for sex based rights and Safeguarding should be asked to watch it and reflect before they make demands of your energies and time.

A quarter to a third of women have already been sexually assaulted, almost a third experience domestic violence in their lifetime. Should we deny these women the right to be in female only spaces when they require it, especially when vulnerable, or should we insist they accept a male-bodied person who says he's a woman (and wants to get into her space even though it's triggering a trauma-response of fear and she doesn't want him there)?

At this point I'm close to letting them have access to the female sex spaces they want on the condition there are third spaces/sports/services provided for radfems etc. Then they get access to 'single sex' spaces and I get access to spaces that only allow for females. Anyone can join, all young children and any human female that would prefer to undress around/compete against/recover from trauma with/be incarcerated with only other human females. The same goes for legal protections too. Have I fixed it?

"Do you have any figures to prove that a higher prpoportion of Trans-women sexually assualt women than cis-women?"

Glad you asked.

I went looking for statistics and found a big government spreadsheet with loads of information, it's called Statistics on Women and the Criminal Justice System 2017 tinyurl.com/yc7lob6f

Table 13 handily records the sex of everyone convicted of rape (or assault by penetration) in 2017.
Out of 659 people convicted of rape, 658 were male. According to my (questionable) maths that makes 0.0015% of all the convicted rapists in 2017 female. We can expect that figure to change rapidly, now that crimes are being recorded by gender identity rather than sex. Almost makes you wonder why there has been such a push for that particular change doesn't it?

So yep, along with the Swedish study quoted upthread that shows males retain the same pattern of offending after transition, there are plenty of statistics to back up what you have been saying (and what everyone and his dog, already knew).

Sexual crimes are overwhelmingly perpetrated by males, and transitioning does not make males any less likely to commit sexual crimes at the same rate as other men.

Out of 659 people convicted of rape, 658 were male. According to my (questionable) maths that makes 0.0015% of all the convicted rapists in 2017 female.

This convicted 'female' must have been male though.
Rape (in the UK) is a specifically male crime requiring 'penetration with a penis of the vagina, anus or mouth of another person without their consent'.

The table covers both rape and the crime 'assault by penetration' that covers 'non-consenting penetration of the vagina or anus' which can be committed by a woman and carries the same maximum sentence as rape.

The sole woman must be Gayle Newland, she was found guilty on three counts of sexual assault by penetration in July 2017.

It was a very strange and unusual case that got a lot more news coverage than the other 658 convictions, most of which we never heard about, probably considered too 'dog bites man' to be newsworthy.

I have no idea how many other women, if any, have been found guilty of assault by penetration, before 2017. We need statistics for the previous 30 years, to put 2017 into perspective.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/29/gayle-newland-found-guilty-at-retrial-of-tricking-female-friend-into-sex

Stealhsquirrelnutkin thank you for the link, its a really interesting & significant document.

This Never Happens is another good resource
www.facebook.com/groups/1722756661380462/

m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpIy-0_esU

These are not our crimes. Not statistics but a collection of these guys.

'"Do you have any figures to prove that a higher prpoportion of Trans-women sexually assualt women than cis-women?"

If it's women asking it's baffling.

I have had a stack of dodgy stuff from men.

Zero from women.

All women and girls, or pretty much all, know that if there's a creepy perv about it's a bloke.

Any man can ID as a woman now.

So erm...

How are these women disconnecting from their own experiences so much? I find it baffling.

Answer is. No stats. Crimes are recorded on self ID and have been for years (without anyone knowing why or when the police forces did that).

This seems a huge number of black trans people.

Well in 2018 Google tells me that

'In 2018, advocates tracked at least 26 deaths of at least transgender or gender non-conforming people in the U.S. due to fatal violence, the majority of whom were Black transgender women. '

www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-transgender-community-in-2019

Which makes the above a gross, flat out lie. (Although now I've lost it on thread. It was the handwritten one with 1000+ for this group).

Unless their pool is VERY small in which case the stats are not meaningful.