Lib Dem’s at it again

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Fortunately they’re an irrelevance now

www.libdemwomen.org.uk/government_single_sex_space_bill_statement

Simply bizzare!

Telling butch women that nobody looking at them can tell that they're women.

It's just so, so deeply stupid. As though women have ever been able to escape oppression by having short hair or being flat chested.

"Women couldn't vote, except for the ones with short hair".

Indeed, when I cut my hair short at 12 that definitely stopped creepy older men from staring at and commenting on my boobs. Any time they start you just point up at the hair and they go "sorry about that, lad, I hadn't noticed the hair".

The proposals take no account of the discrimination that trans women already face, and would make it impossible for those trans women early on in their transition to participate in public life, including travel and shopping.

Replace trans women with Muslim women or Jewish women.

Experience where such bills have been debated and implemented shows that any woman who does not conform to someone else’s idea of what a woman should look or sound like will be subject to challenge. Such legislation, if implemented, is almost always reversed quickly because of the effects on all women. Lesbian women have many stories of how they have been discriminated against and subjected to violence in women’s facilities, simply because of their appearance

I too would love to see the evidence for this? I would like a list of countries that 'strengthened' their provisions for female single sex spaces and then rolled these back. I think this is an overreach in emotive manipulation.

"The proposals take no account of the discrimination that trans women already face, and would make it impossible for those trans women early on in their transition to participate in public life, including travel and shopping."

The 'proposals' haven't been published yet. What are they talking about?

I was a member since Charles Kennedy's days until recently. They really are a lost cause, the party for pimps, punters and people who believe in lady brain/man brain. Oh, and manufacturers of puberty blockers.
Best leave them to it and hope that it acts as fly paper to clear out these types from other political parties!

Very succinct

Lesbians = men is so utterly lesbophobic.

Based on a stereotype
And that if a woman presents as 'butch' she looks like a man?

WTF.

hi libdems! My cousin is marrying her partner next year. She has long hair and a taste for Ted baker clothes. Particularly the floaty skirts.

Her partner is less frilly but doesn't look like whatever idea you have of a lesbian in your head.

I also know plenty of butch lesbians and oh! They are quite obviously female.

Homophobes.

Is this the best they can come up with?

Oh and to add polish to the turd they say men will attack women anyway, what can you do?

Fuck off.

Oh dear. Well that argument was brought to you courtesy of the bottom of the barrel.

Fictitious laws, rampant homophobia, and er mops and pliers.

(Pliers? Seriously? 😁)

Coupled with Newsnight tonight, the sound of wheels pinging off is positively deafening.

"Trans people are seen as vulnerable by the conservative groups funding transphobia. We've already seen that they will come for the rest of the LGBT+ community next, and for cis women who don't conform to gender stereotypes"

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/article/2020/1365345/lgbt-lib-dems-sign-cross-party-lgbt-group-statement-on-trans-equality?fbclid=IwAR1iVL5hJ2eU743r8OAsGUFGRJIx43tcGd9EY3KQXS7q5xl3MXWldxrtPeY

This is scaremongering!

Ireland's system of statutory declaration is the model proposed for the UK.

It might be a good idea to look at some of the pitfalls which have become apparent since this law was passed 5 years ago.

Criminal defence lawyer Robert Purcell says that the Gender Recognition Act 2015 has placed the State in an impossible position with regard to transgender prisoners.
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When before the court last July, the prisoner was in possession of a gender recognition certificate.

It is understood that the prisoner was assigned a high level of monitoring after being convicted of ten counts of sexual assault and one count of cruelty against a child.
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Robert Purcell is chair of the Law Society Criminal Law Committee: “The law that was enacted in 2015 did not envisage this situation, and it puts the Prison Service and the courts in a difficult position because, obviously, if somebody is self-declaring that they have to be recognised, then they have to be dealt with on that basis, even though physically, they have not have made the [physical] transformation.

“I don’t think the legislation envisaged the ability of transgender people to be able to self-declare; and it didn’t foresee the problems it would cause if a transgender, self-declared person was held in a mixed prison,” he said.

www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners/

Does this sound like a good model to emulate?

I'm a bit confused about the last paragraph I've quoted there. Legislation was passed to allow people to self declare their 'gender', but the legislation didn't envisage the ability of people to self declare.

We are concerned that many of the measures being reported on will lead to policies and laws whereby people's suitability to access single-sex services or spaces are principally judged on their appearance rather than their behaviour or need.

People's suitability to access single-sex spaces are based on their sex. This usually correlates in some way with their appearance. Why should access to single-sex spaces be based on 'behaviour or need' if a person is not of the appropriate sex to access them?

What sort of 'behaviour or need' should be exhibited by a man which should allow him access to a female-only space?

As LGBT+ groups, we are aware of increasing challenges in spaces such as toilets and changing rooms for women who aren't feminine in their dress or way they present

I don't believe this ever happens. Unless the women they're referring to are male 'women'.