Where is the comparison statistics for how many trans people are being murdered compared to women?

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We keep getting told this, I can't seem to find statistics. Can anyone illuminate?

fairplayforwomen.com/trans-murder-rates/

trans murder rate.jpg

Thanks both, so does that mean that they are counting trans men and women combined in that statistic?

As far as I know there have been no murders of transmen in the US or UK. If there were they would likely be counted in the women's murder rate.

Ideally no one would be being murdered, but I just want to get my facts straight. I feel like there's so much stuff being spat at us that I want to check everything. My father was left for dead in a racist beating so I understand hate crimes. However this line of trans women are being murdered keeps coming up as though women aren't being murdered.

Channel 4's fact check on it is here twitter.com/pankhurstem/status/1271367187161395200?s=21. It's a photo, but the url is at the top. No one seems to keep accurate stats at the moment. It would be much better if they did, imo.

Also link to tweet with a study on levels of criminality v female controls twitter.com/nastysmurfette/status/1271526780961259520?s=21

Do you need global or UK numbers OP?

I have something on this but b busy today. Tag me if you need more than what has already been posted, I'll try to help.

Much like the rates of suicide they like to throw around, its overstated (to say the least) and ignores all other factors and variables (eg job and location).

Here is a link to the website trans respect.org which has a handy interactive map showing the number of murders per country:

transrespect.org/en/map/trans-murder-monitoring/#

It covers the period 2008-2016 so they don’t have the stats for the last 4 years. As you can see, from the TRA’s own stats, there were 8 murders of trans people in the UK in that 8 year period.

Someone on Mumsnet once looked up all 8 victims and found out the circumstances of their deaths and guess what? None of them died in a transphobic hate attack. I believe a couple of them were killed by male partners, another few were prostituted (prostituted people are at an astronomical risk of murder), some were killed for financial gain or over a debt. I believe one poor soul was killed when pushed under a train... by another transwoman.

Also notable on the map is that you can click on a country and it lists out the current legal and human rights situation for trans people. I clicked on UK and found a whole loada horseshit regarding the GRC and change of name requirements. Apparently sterilisation is required! Who knew?

I don't like arguing over murder and suicide stats. I'm not saying no-one else should but personally I'd rather ask why those statistics are invariably presented, not as argument for justice and resources, but as as an argument that transwomen are women.

Whether correct or not, in what way are they proof that humans can change sex or be born in the wrong body, or that women should surrender their ex-based rights and spaces?

sex-based.

Karen Ingala Smith has written on this.

It's not true that trans people are killed more than others. I don't really understand why that claim keeps being made. Apart from anything else, why terrify trans people like that when it doesn't seem to be even remotely true?

I don't really understand why that claim keeps being made

Because the entire premise of why TW need to be in women's spaces and why we are meanies for having them at all and why all trans deaths are somehow the fault of women rests on the "most vulnerable" narrative of which that is part.

Unfortunately that narrative remains mostly unquestioned in the media space, despite all evidence to the contrary. When you refute with facts, the response is generally "you evil bigot", the point remains mysteriously unresponded to, or you get some version of "women do it too/predatory lesbians blah blah blah."

This is all really useful info because it keeps being thrown around especially by Jameela Jamil as though women are part of the problem. Surely by that logic, actually regular ole MEN, not trans people are the most vulnerable then as they get murdered more than the rest of us. Let's just have everyone in the women's safe spaces in that case. Bring a toothbrush. 🙄

It's not true that trans people are killed more than others. I don't really understand why that claim keeps being made. Apart from anything else, why terrify trans people like that when it doesn't seem to be even remotely true?

It's because of the narrative that trans people are the most vulnerable group. See also the fake suicide stats frequently bandied about. You have to remember that trans people are more vulnerable than anyone, and that includes black people, gay people, disabled people, single mothers on benefits, etc etc. The truth that trans people are less likely to be murdered than non-trans people is an inconvenient fact that must immediately be stamped on.

It seems as it a transwoman could be hit by a bus while trekking in Patagonia and it would be attributed to hate crime.

I agree that even if the rates were high it wouldn't demonstrate anything about their sex.

I just think its a huge foundation for everyone's "be kind" mantra.

The idea that you have to give in or they'll kill themselves/be killed is demonstrably bullshit.

Even in the US there were what, 28 last year? That is a really low number. The rate heavily depends what you use as the population, and this is rather arbitrary, 0.5% all the way up to 2-3% of the population is claimed to be trans, but even going with 0.5%, that translates to a low / normal murder rate, certainly lower than that of men.

This is an article which debunks the "black trans women (globally) only live to 35" lie put out by many transactivists and ignorant woke media commentators.

www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/09/23/41471629/is-the-life-expectancy-of-trans-women-in-the-us-just-35-no

The same questions can be asked of 'The average life expectancy of a black trans woman is 35.'

Cokie's Law: It doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's out there.

I'd never heard that expression before TehBewilderness.

Interesting.

Mary Martha Corinne Morrison Claiborne "Cokie" Roberts (née Boggs
A journalist. She passed away in 2019; she was born to politics. Both her parents were members of the House of Representatives.