Help me explain to my daughter...

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We had a chat about the current JK Rowling conversation and after a while (I knew my view but let her take a while to get there) agreed that female loos should be for biological women.

However, a few moments later she said there's a person at her school who identifies as male but is biologically female. He uses the female changing rooms and toilets and she doesn't feel this is right.

I've tried to talk about the alternative i.e a biological woman being forced in to a changing room full of penis but she can't quite see it. Though the argument for only biological women in female spaces seems firm in her mind.

Anyone with more knowledge help me to challenge her? I dont mind if she disagrees with me but I can't really form a good argument as yet

Well the logic behind it is that you are categorizing the changing rooms based in biological sex. Therefore if she is uncomfortable with the idea of trans women in female changing rooms, it follows on to believe that trans men should not be in male changing rooms.

Even though the trans man is not a potential threat to men the same way as a trans woman could be to women, the trans man is more vulnerable if changing with a bunch of guys.

When you think about the reason behind single sex spaces, it makes sense.

I suppose her issue might be not so much the rational argument but the emotional one. Insofar as she "interprets" the transman as being male it makes her uncomfortable, it seems to be crossing a boundary.

In a way that's a very natural response. Maybe the thing to suggest would be to reframe it to her as a female who happens to present as a male, gnc basically. Clothes or hair or even name after all don't relate to toileting.

Single sex facilities are based on sex, not gender. The clue is in the name.

Ask her if she thinks female people (transmen) should be incarcerated in the male prison estate or if that would put them in unnecessary danger (bearing in mind how much smaller and less strong the average female person is compared to
the average male person)?

Here’s a transman wrestler, standing next to a transwoman sprinter to illustrate the question.

Thank you - that's cleared it all up in my mind. Particularly the prison analogy. Okay, more talks today then

Hi OP, did the school tell you of the change to the single sex toilets? I'm sure this is against the law. Schools have to separate the sexes from age 8.

They should have done an impact assessment and informed parents, they should also have some kind of insurance I think? I hope you will take it up with the school.

Sex matters. If your daughter walks home alone in the dark she is statistically more at risk of being attack than a man. Should your daughter then identify as a male this will not lesson the risk because her sex matters, not whatever she calls herself.
Boka harem (sp?) Don't kidnap school boys and I would suspect would not kidnap school boys identifying as girls, because sex matters. It's our sex that places us at risk, not gender. This is why we need female only spaces.

Emphasize that it is not about one particular person who she knows to be a good person but any person, if self id is applied then literally anyone could be walking through the door.

@OhHolyJesus the OP said the trans boy (biologically female) is still changing with the girls, so the school doesn't sound like it has dropped the single sex spaces