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Women's feelings are not the point and a woman's voice is a shitty one - feminism according to Marie Claire

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FFSFFSFFS · 16/06/2020 20:56

"I’m also a ciswoman, which means my feelings are not the point right now. As significant as the franchise has been for me, if I am actually going to be the ally I fancy myself to be, that means I have to consider the damage Rowling (and potentially the entire series) has done to trans, nonbinary, and gender nonconforming people. Being a white ciswoman gives me a voice—like a magical power, but a shitty one, because it's a power others are denied."

www.marieclaire.com/culture/a32871234/harry-potter-jk-rowling-anti-trans-comments/

I think these young self proclaimed feminists are in for an almighty shock when they get a bit older and realise just exactly how women's voices are responded to.

Sigh.

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Collidascope · 17/06/2020 08:29

It is a bit odd to get all worked up about minority representation and then just forget people.

Isn't it. Kind of like ignoring all the BAME women who are saying they have an issue with self id, and pretending it's just a white woman thing. They prove their own racism.

Lamahaha · 17/06/2020 08:31

And this is the case when it comes to Harry Potter. Rowling isn’t the sole creator of this universe as we inhabit it now. The actors who starred in the movies, for example, are indelible elements of the franchise, and many of the most visible stars have been outspoken in opposition to Rowling’s position on trans rights.

Oh shut off and get off your high horse. Rowling is and always will be the sole creator of the Harry Potter world. The opinions of these B-list actors are obviously important to them and their fans, and they have a right to those opinions.

But that doesn't mean that their opinions are right. Nor that those opinions need to be parroted all over the place as if God has spoken.

And as someone said above, please quite exactly where she said she was opposed to trans' rights?
She spoke of women's rights. Which are not sitting there ready to be taken by anyone declaring themselves to be a woman. They were actually fought for and established in law!

Honestly these kids need to get a grip.

#Istandwithrowling.

RoyalCorgi · 17/06/2020 08:34

I’m also a ciswoman, which means my feelings are not the point right now.

That sentence is simultaneously hilarious and sad. Why wouldn't women's feelings be the point? When are they the point, exactly? When they're being denied contraception and abortion, when they're dying in childbirth, when they're being raped and sexually abused, when they're being forced into marriage with a 50-year old at the age of 12, when they're being denied the right to vote, when they're shot in the head for going to school, when they're banned from driving or doing professional jobs, when their genitals are mutilated for the crime of being female? Do women's feelings matter then? Or must they always come second to the Hurt Feelz of men?

TitianaTitsling · 17/06/2020 08:38

As someone mentioned on a previous post- this is how they know where to recruit the Aunt Lydias! #under(insertwhatever)eye...

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 17/06/2020 08:41

Dreadful article

And interesting that the author of the piece is unable to write what dreadfully transphobic things JKR has allegedly said

The only one she mentioned is standing up for Maya...and obviously she needs to call her a TERF to make sure that we all know just how much Maya needed viterol rather than support

Used to like Marie Claire, the articles used to be good, its been a pile of expensive drivel for a while now

Mummyoflittledragon · 17/06/2020 08:47

Thanks to my English Lit degree, I can certainly summon a convincing case the Harry Potter should be appreciated independently of Rowling.

Fucking hell the arrogance. She is astoundingly naive in her naice little middle classed bubble and cannot begin to comprehend the battles JKR faced. How dare she say this things. How dare she negate women’s experiences. Stupid little girl.

SunsetBeetch · 17/06/2020 08:48

The wider world isn't going to be letting go of Harry Potter any time soon, Kathleen. Cis off.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 17/06/2020 09:04

When are women's feelings allowed to be talked about? If we just shut up like good girls just now, can anyone give me a date when we can discuss a few things? I have a list.

TitianaTitsling · 17/06/2020 09:07

scrimp we wait to be told.... But of course you even asking this is destroying Kathleen's childhood!

littlbrowndog · 17/06/2020 09:08

When it’s convient for men scrimpshaw 😉

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/06/2020 09:08

Oh piss off, Kathleen. If you must beg for "I'm a good girl, pick me!" cookies at least try to find a less blatantly misogynistic and ageist way to do it.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 17/06/2020 09:12

Thanks to my English Lit degree, I can certainly summon a convincing case the Harry Potter should be appreciated independently of Rowling.

Thanks to my English degree I also read Barthes. But if you actually agreed with his essay, (and I’m not sure you actually understand his argument in the context of early forms of literary interpretation), you wouldn’t give the proverbial for what JKR thinks about anything.

I just finished listening to the first Harry Potter as an audiobook, which gives you another perspective on the book. I noticed that JKR actually doesn’t describe most characters in any detail. They have characteristics, but there’s rarely a mention of skin colour or ethnicity. It is, perhaps, a matter of perspective: I suppose if your world is entirely Anglo, that’s how you’ll imagine the students. Possibly says more about her milieu, than anything JKR wrote.

TheIncredibleBookEatingManchot · 17/06/2020 09:14

How does she think the Harry Potter series has damaged trans people? She doesn't seem to expand on that thought in the article.

With regards to Cho Chang being the "only" Asian character in Harry Potter I think Americans usually seem to exclude people from South Asia and the Middle East (and their diasporas) from the definition of Asian in colloquial language. I don't know why and it doesn't seem to make sense, but it explains why they keep saying Cho is the only Asian character in the series.

Collidascope · 17/06/2020 09:15

Her Twitter page says she's Brooklyn-based and going by the "realize" instead of "realise" seems she's American.
Is it fair to say trans activism in its current form has largely come from the US?
I know, I'm off to look it up rather than expect people to research for me.

KaronAVyrus · 17/06/2020 09:17

I know this is beside the point but I always felt the Harry Potter Films would have been massively improved if they had cast different child actors:
Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson were wooden then and still wooden now.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/06/2020 09:17

A lot of really shit theory has come out of English departments at American universities. If your theory conveniently allows you to remove theoretical ownership of a text from the woman who wrote it because you're angry with her then I have to point out that your theory may be just a teensy bit self serving.

TitianaTitsling · 17/06/2020 09:19

I wonder if being a huge HP fan Kathleen's identifying with Peter Pettigrew and his allegiance to someone that inherently hates them just so they can be in what they see as the 'in crowd' and will happy destroy others to do so?

Mumoblue · 17/06/2020 09:23

Well, I'm "gender non conforming" (honest! I'm wearing trousers and playing a video game), so apparently my voice matters now?

Who even is gender conforming? Even Barbie is an astronaut and video game designer now.

forsucksfake · 17/06/2020 09:30

Deception + targeted empathy (men) = disaster for women

twoHopes · 17/06/2020 09:32

With regards to Cho Chang being the "only" Asian character in Harry Potter I think Americans usually seem to exclude people from South Asia and the Middle East (and their diasporas) from the definition of Asian in colloquial language.

It is so incredibly tiring hearing woke Americans talk about race from an entirely American perspective. The lack of self-awareness is astonishing. You can see it in the way they constantly refer to "indigenous people" as if all countries have maligned indigenous populations. Also in the way they refer to hispanic people as "people of colour" when this makes no sense outside of America.

twoHopes · 17/06/2020 09:36

I always felt the Harry Potter Films would have been massively improved if they had cast different child actors

Rowling said at the time that she was disappointed with the casting of Emma Watson as she was far too classically beautiful for the character of Hermione (who is supposed to be buck toothed and quite plain looking). But she said she realised that Hollywood would never accept an unattractive female lead.

Jaxhog · 17/06/2020 09:37

I'm an older woman, so I have no voice at all. She has a voice because she's young and in the media.

doublehalo · 17/06/2020 09:40

Did she not actually read what Rowling wrote? and if she did has she no powers of critical thinking?

Jaxhog · 17/06/2020 09:40

I think the time has come to 'let go' Marie Claire!

Ginnyhip46 · 17/06/2020 09:46

"and potentially the entire series" what the f#£@ does this mean?????
So she's saying JK shouldn't have written HP now?
As an Asian woman I am not remotely offended by any of the characters apart from Bellatrix LeStrange because she murdered Sirius Black and I loved him. At the time when the books came out I was glad to see JK had made it a school that didn't just have white kids. People jumping on it for being racist are actually just trying to find issues. Do I care that the girls surname.is Patil? Why would I, it's a popular surname and instantly says Asian. And the complaints there isn't enough gayness in it, IT'S A KIDS BOOK FROM 23 years ago. Marie Claire... Who even buys that anymore?

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