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If white feminism is a thing gender ideology epitomises it

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DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 16/06/2020 03:27

This is an excellent essay which centres the experiences of women and girls marginalised by sex-based oppression.

www.feministcurrent.com/2017/07/26/white-feminism-thing-gender-identity-ideology-epitomizes/

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Tomasinaa · 16/06/2020 03:59

Very good indeed

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 16/06/2020 08:13

Your link isn't clicky for me for some reason, but I've thought this for a long time. Gender Critical feminism supports the rights of women who have ESL to receive health care information in plain English. It supports the rights of women whose religion forbids them to be alone or undressed around men to have single sex spaces so they can join public life. It supports the right of FGM victims to speak freely about their bodies and experiences. It supports the right of black women, who are over represented in refuges, shelters, and prisons, to be safe from male violence in these spaces. It supports the rights of women to discuss pregnancy and childbirth, something that is especially important for black women who are disproportionately likely to die during these, without using degrading and dehumanising language, or fearing a hostile reaction. It denounces as racism the idea that men are different to women in the same way that black women are different to white women, which necessarily evokes racist tropes of black women being masculine and positions white women as the default. It rejects the racist belief that while women in countries like India still need single sex toilets, our white western men have evolved to the point that women can be safe in mixed sex toilets. How anyone has the nerve to laud trans ideology, which fundamentally supports the desires of straight white men to invade and colonise any space they choose, as "intersectional", while GC feminism is dismissed as "White" never ceases to shock me. Just like how Liberal feminism calls itself inclusive and intersectional but is fundamentally just about privaledged white women wanting the "choice" to do certain things, with no regard for the consequences of this to marginalised women who are forced into these activities through lack of those same choices. I'm a strong believer in never attributing to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity, but at this point I honestly cant give these people the benefit of the doubt any more. If you support TRAs, you support White male supremacy. That's it.

Itsmemaggie · 16/06/2020 11:13

I completely agree.

WomaninBoots · 16/06/2020 12:03

Excellent post GrabtharsHammer. I read the article previously. It is also excellent.

The Guardian using "Forced" instead of "Female" when talking about FGM in an article has enraged me. Why dies the Guardian get to change the language around FGM to appease it's audience?

BlueBooby · 16/06/2020 12:13

@WomaninBoots

Excellent post GrabtharsHammer. I read the article previously. It is also excellent.

The Guardian using "Forced" instead of "Female" when talking about FGM in an article has enraged me. Why dies the Guardian get to change the language around FGM to appease it's audience?

I haven't read the article in the op yet but wanted to say, this enraged me too. I am planning on writing to them to point it out. It probably won't achieve anything but I want them to know someone noticed.
ValancyRedfern · 16/06/2020 12:15

I agree this is a great essay. The author is currently suing Bristol University over their terrible treatment of her.

TyroSaysMeow · 16/06/2020 13:15

The Guardian using "Forced" instead of "Female" when talking about FGM in an article has enraged me. Why dies the Guardian get to change the language around FGM to appease it's audience?

Forced genital mutilation - surely that includes circumcision? I can't see that going down too well among certain groups; most people who circumcise get a bit pissy about it being described as mutilation.

Enderthedragon · 16/06/2020 13:26

Absolutely brilliant 👏👏👏

I have often thought about the racism of gender politics with the breast binding issue as well? Looking at these 'savage' African countries where breast ironing takes place and being all like 'oh isn't that just awful, so barbaric', whilst in the 'enlightened' West, encouraging teenage girls to wear breast binders to stop their breasts developing and that being seen as 'progressive'?

WomaninBoots · 16/06/2020 13:48

I think in the context of the Guardian article the Forced was simply to replace Female rather than to include circumcision. Because Female is starting to be seen as a dirty word essentially.

Sorry. I don't want to derail this thread. It just popped into my head as somewhat relevant given the demographics of who is subjected to FGM and who reads the Guardian that would fine Female a problematic word in that context.

Gncq · 16/06/2020 14:39

Womaninboots

Actually forced genital mutilation would logically include penis circumcision, because many consider it a mutilation of sorts and it is forced on babies. In fact feminist discussions on FGM often get derailed by people saying "but it happens to men too".

What is the logic behind removing the "female" from "Fgm" anyway?

Is it because it's upsetting to transwomen? Or are we meant to think loads of transmen are getting FGM so it's upsetting for them to be referred to as females?

WomaninBoots · 16/06/2020 15:09

Oh yes I get that logically it does. But I don't think that's what the Guardian articld was reaching for. That's all I was trying to say.

I think at this point any use of the word female or woman with reference to actual females seems to be upsetting to the trans lobby. And it's driven by transwomen as transmen seem to be largely ignored.

TyroSaysMeow · 16/06/2020 15:30

Is it because it's upsetting to transwomen?

Spot on.

Describing the clitoris, the vulva, the vagina as female is dreadfully triggering for the poor dears. We have to pretend that these anatomical structures appear randomly, with no basis in biological sex.

That and they're well on the way to redefining "female" as an identity, which even an idiot can see is grossly offensive when we're talking about fgm. Because no one identifies into fgm (except transmen).

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