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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why don't people who believe you must never misgender anyone act that way in general?

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StealthPolarBear · 13/06/2020 17:43

In common discussions, on here and irl everyone talks about men and women, he and she and makes the assumption that everyone they're talking to knows what they're referring to.
However on threads about gender issues it seems the right thing to do is to never assume anyone's gender etc etc. Why doesn't this translate into reality when having boring discussions about holidays etc. Even organisations are guilty, for example you see stuff about 'people who menstruate' but on anything not to do with reproductive health, men and women are talked about in the usual way.
Does this ramble make sense?

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JellySlice · 13/06/2020 17:48

More sense than the ideology behind the exaggeration of gender-neutrality which leads to women's erasure.

YellowHats · 13/06/2020 18:33

I think its because unless we are talking about something related to biology so menstruation, pregnancy etc.

Then TW just assume when you say women you just mean them. So the only time your ever really clarifying what you mean by man/woman is when you talk about something like reproductive health.

StealthPolarBear · 13/06/2020 18:39

No, I'm meaning (a made up example on here) :
"I saw a man standing outside our house at 6am"
You don't get the usual people who go on about not making assumptions and not misgender ing people pointing out that just because he looked like what we used to call a man in the 80s, ze may well have been a woman.
All the trans activists just sem to let those threads go.
And endless examples in real life too by organisations and the media who are trans friendly when talking about trans specific stuff but then revert to what I'd class as common sense for everything else.

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JellySlice · 13/06/2020 19:04

It's very hard work to speak in a manner that is totally contrary to the way you understand the world (recognising that the person you saw was male, therefore using masculine pronouns to describe him) and your cultural conditioning (using the masculine pronouns as default when you don't know the sex of the character).

Even TRAs are human, subject to the same learning and conditioning. Subject to the same cognitive dissonance. I'm sure they have to work very hard to go against it and reframe the world according to their ideology. And most TRAs aren't ideologues, just MRAs and misogynists. And the male ones don't want to be erased any more than we do. So why would they make the effort?

testing987654321 · 13/06/2020 19:08

The crux of the matter is that we don't know what other people are thinking they identify as, but we can easily correctly recognise their sex.

It's why I never say "I saw a transwoman", because I cannot know how they identify without speaking to them, so I say "I saw a man in a dress with makeup on". I would guess that they identify as a woman, but it would be rude to assume such a thing.

OldQueen1969 · 13/06/2020 19:31

I actually wondered if I could write a story only using currently "correct" language and gave up fairly rapidly.........

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