JK Rowling for dummies

[skyblue27]

Can someone please explain all this JK Rowling stuff in the news I keep hearing about women trans ppl etc

But can u explain it to me very simply as if I'm stupid

Thanks

There are so, so many threads. Read them and you'll know.

Anyone else pleaseee

Just read her statement, she explains her position very clearly:

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

At the moment there are two main camps of thought:

1transwomen are women (transmen are men)
2 transwomen are not women (transmen are women)

JK Rowling pointed out that people who menstruate are women.
People in Group 1 got offended.

Such is the nature of some people in Group1 that instead of using reasoned debate they either just stated 'transwomen are women' (and didn't even mention transmen, who actually would be the ones dealing with menstruation), or straight up used abusive and threatening language.

There's a thread called "Break it down for me" just down the page. That explains the clash between feminism and trans activism in its current form.
As far as JK Rowling goes, read her statement. Then perhaps say which particular parts you don't understand.

Read the many threads. There is plenty of information set out for you.

There was an article which had the phrase ‘people who menustrate”. JK reacted, saying that there is a term for this, ie. women. Trans-folk got upset, by saying that was trans-phobic.

JK was trying to make the point that, biologically, there are two states. Ie. Men and women. However, she didn’t condemn trans-people as such, much the terminology. Ie. Sex = men/women = biological fact

Daniel R came out with a response, opposing her views.

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This article tries the summarise the main points also, probably better than me.

These are her tweets. They are pro women, not anti-trans. Unfortunately many in the Trans movement cannot and will not understand the difference.

She wrote an essay in response to the vitriol and name calling she received after the tweet which is on her website. She is an absolute bloody legend.

Those who say 'read the threads' - I've been told to do that in the past but when they run to hundreds of posts and are full of acronyms and cross references that you don't know about, they can be overwhelming. There's nothing wrong with asking for a simplified version.

@skyblue27 if you have questions, feel free to ask. That’s usually a better way of understanding.

I think JK's statement is actually the best introduction you could have to this subject. Read it first, then post any questions here.

There's nothing wrong with asking for a simplified version.
I get your point about the threads, but it's not a simple topic that can be easily summed up. This is why the trans activists have succeeded for so long, they've led everyone into believing it is and have lots of mantras for people to chant to save them any bother of having to research and engage their brains on the subject.

Can someone please explain all this JK Rowling stuff in the news I keep hearing about women trans ppl etc

Sure. While the simple statements ‘sex is real’ or ‘sex matters’ are basically true, they have also become a coded way of saying:

‘Trans women are born male and so they are men and will always be men. Trans men are born female and are therefore women and always will be women’.

This therefore means ‘trans women should be treated as males and trans men should be treated as females and we should be able to say this whenever we like’.

This is considered particularly upsetting/ damaging to many trans people.

Code is needed because you can’t just come out and say that as it’s considered transphobic. It’s also likely to be considered harassment under the equality act particularly at work.

At the same time there are women, particularly women who have been abused, attacked or raped by men who are further traumatised by the presence of ‘male bodied people’ in women’s spaces, even toilets.

Some of these women think that all trans women are ‘male bodied’ and shouldn’t even be in women’s toilets etc. Even ones who pass as women, because ‘none of them ever look like women’. Other women think the trans women who have their penises removed can use some women’s spaces.

Some feminists want to stop trans people being able to change their legal sex which they currently can do with medical reports. Others just oppose ‘self ID’ which means a trans person could change their legal sex without medical reports but this hasn’t become law yet (just proposed as an option by the government).

Then there are many people (including some trans people) who think children shouldn’t be allowed to transition with medical assistance because they are too young to make such a decision. The NHS provides this service to a very small number of children/ young people in the U.K. It is provided by psychiatrists and psychologists who say that for some with extreme dysphoria this is the best option. Most appear to go on to be happy but there are increasing numbers of those who ‘detransition’. Everyone generally agrees more research is needed.

The most visible part of the debate you see tends to be polarised into two extremes with the middle road largely ignored. Balanced views rarely make good headlines.

It's all about transwomen isn't it?

The only people I can think of who may reasonably find JK's assertion that people who menstruate are women, are transmen. And yet the whole debate yet again seems to be focused on transwomen, what's the link there...?

I have seen the 'suck my female dick' retorts, I haven't seen any 'lick my male clit' ones.

This might be useful for the context: janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

In a way I’m glad she spoke out and was met with this wave of hate.

This morning at my sports hobby women were actually discussing it openly and abhorring it. The TRA have shot themselves in the foot with this one.

I have seen the 'suck my female dick' retorts, I haven't seen any 'lick my male clit' ones

Oh I got called a ‘post foetus’ this morning on twitter of a white teeny bopper with dreads

In a way I’m glad she spoke out and was met with this wave of hate.
They're absolutely showing everyone their true colours, to those ordinary people who don't get caught up in the issue on Twitter. I imagine most people, if they see what JK Rowling actually wrote, and then the abuse hurled at her, will peak en masse. The very same way many of us here did, I'd imagine, when we first saw this abuse.

The absolute fundamentals rely on us maintaining one of the following two positions:

1). That material reality exists and is important. This is the reason why people who hold Position 2 either ignore proven science or try to bend it to their will. Because feelings.

2). That there is no such thing as material reality and things only exist if we feel they do and consequently call them into being.

Position 1 is the one that sensible feminists hold. We know what a women is and we know why.

Position 2 is a bit of a problem if you’re not holding a hammer properly. Ask Sally Hines

Does this sound crazy? That’s because it is. And why discussions about trans issues result in Position 1-holders being accused of “erasing my existence”.

Reality versus feelings.