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Black Hermione actress Noma Dumezweni backs, Rowling but faces backlash already. .

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Lamahaha · 13/06/2020 08:04

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8416011/Rupert-Grint-wades-J-K-Rowling-transphobia-row-alongside-former-Harry-Potter-stars.html

This DM article has a headline about Rupert Grint jumping on the anti-JK bandwaggon, but it actually leads with this:

"The actress who played Hermione Granger in the West End spin off of the Harry Potter book series backed J.K. Rowling's response to the 'transphobia' row before deleting her tweet amid intense backlash.

It comes as Rupert Grint - who is best known for playing Ron Weasley in the film series based on Rowling's books - became the latest in a swathe of actors to speak out against the acclaimed author.

Noma Dumezweni,, 50, was cast as Hermione when the stage production of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child play was first announced.
On Wednesday, Noma wrote on Twitter: *'I just took down my tweet in support of reading the article from Jo.

'I’m confused. I may not understand enough as I’m not in a lot of people’s shoes. I need to understand* why it’s worse that she wrote that essay, when people are asking her to explain what she means.'

She later explained: 'I was applauding what I saw as openness, then I felt the flood arrive in such quick time that I thought, oh s*.

'I need to reread. I felt educated on HER POINT OF VIEW. Which is what I ask people to do. Educate themselves - yet I have to do SO much more on the Trans side.' "

She goes on to talk about how she is trying so hard to understand the trans side of things. All well and good. But it's depressing that "understanding the trans side" might have to mean retracting on her initial response to JK. I hope she doesn't retract. I hope that her attempt to understand teaches her that there really is no middle ground at the moment.
She sounds as if she is new to all this, and like so many well-meaning people, this usually means that "be kind" is the first reaction.

Why is the demand for kindness only in one direction?

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Lamahaha · 13/06/2020 08:04

sorry about the misplaced comma in the headline, which should come after Rowling

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Doyoumind · 13/06/2020 08:13

Same old story. Someone says something in their heart they know to be true. Then the thought police pile on, misrepresent and scare them off. Works every time. Except for JKR that is.

twoHopes · 13/06/2020 08:14

Another brilliant woman bullied into compliance. So depressing. I would love it if she read up on this and came back fighting but I don't blame her if she decides to run away from it all. She'd be putting her career and mental health on the line. Sigh.

CourtneyLurve · 13/06/2020 08:23

A black woman who suffered horrific abuse when she was cast as Hermione being bullied into accepting that men and their 'feelings' are the only thing that matters.

What a fucking monstrosity to see.

NonnyMouse1337 · 13/06/2020 08:25

Ugh awful. I don't blame her for backing down for the sake of her own sanity.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 13/06/2020 08:27

I hope Noma has a flock of kind geese around her.

Binterested · 13/06/2020 08:34

I saw Noma Dumezweni on stage before HP in a play called Linda. She took the role with a couple of days notice when Kim Cattrall dropped out. She was so brilliant. I’ve never forgotten her.

Hold fast to your own ideas Noma. Those assailing you are just terrified by your truth. Like Linda.

contactusdeletus · 13/06/2020 08:50

I can understand Noma not wanting to limit her future career prospects or subject herself to more abuse on Twitter , so I don't blame her . . . but this is gutting.

AnyOldPrion · 13/06/2020 09:16

I don't blame her . . . but this is gutting.

Gutting is right. The past few days have been wonderful and awful in turns. I thought that when Joanne Rowling spoke out, it would be a turning point. That she was so eloquent was even better. Who could fail to feel some empathy for her point of view.

I guess what I had underestimated (though it has been apparent for a while) is how far into this the arts community have been pulled. That the three major players in the Potter films have all made identikit statements, which wholly fail to allow any nuance, or even acknowledge (let alone condemn) the appalling bullying Joanne Rowling has received at the hands of these men they are defending sickens me.

Can anyone tell me whether they have noticed a change in the public mood in the UK? I can’t get a handle on what’s really happening.

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 09:19

Hang on - she was 50? Was this Himione as a child?

NotTerfNorCis · 13/06/2020 09:19

TRAs: Listen to women of colour!

Unless they say something we don't like - then attack them!

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 09:21

It’s like bloody top trumps of who is allowed to say what. As even women age 0/0.

NonnyMouse1337 · 13/06/2020 09:37

@Lordfrontpaw

Hang on - she was 50? Was this Himione as a child?
I had that same thought at first lol.

She was cast in the stage production of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, which I think is a sequel when the characters are older.

NotBadConsidering · 13/06/2020 09:40

She plays Hermione who has grown up to be the Minister for Magic. Maybe when Emma Watson grows up, she might see sense too.

PurpleHoodie · 13/06/2020 10:00

NotBad I do wonder what Emma Watson's mental health will be like at say - 41.

If she gets her wish, there will be a massive increase of headlines, court cases and reports of children being raped/sexually assaulted as a direct result of her 'men are women, let them in female only spaces' stance.

It's already happening.

Will she have to severely restrict her social circle to only those who believe it's totally ok for women to be passed over for jobs (even more so than now) by men who call themselves women.

To have children and teens in clothes shops be video recorded by perverts who post the videos on peodophile sites.

To know that women are being raped in prisons and mental health units.

To have decent men feel uncomfortable being around women and children not of their household.

To tell gay men they must no longer be homosexual, and can't be out and proud - or they'll be labelled "TERF BOI BIGOTS." (Lovely gay friend of mine got named this. He gets it now)

Same for lesbians. (Just TERFS for them though)

(?)

She'll style it out no doubt. But in those alone times, she'll know. She'll know she contributed to a new culture.

(And Rupert Grint needs to consider the life his daughter will inherit due to his stance. He has contributed to creating a culture that will make her life so unsafe)

PurpleHoodie · 13/06/2020 10:09

Lamahaha I'm sure we all here wish Noma the best and hope she can find friendship and support online and offline.

She'll unfortunately get a huge backlash from people for being a woman. But also a black woman.

The thing is, it'll be the racist MRA crowd AND the SJW WOKE TRA hashtaghashtag #ButBlackLivesMatterSoICanVirtualSignalLookAtMeSignallingButWeDontGiveAShitAboutBlackWomenReallyEspeciallyThoseHomosexualBlackWomenOrAnyWomenExceptThoseThatCentreMenWomen crowd.

MrGHardy · 13/06/2020 10:37

'I need to reread. I felt educated on HER POINT OF VIEW. Which is what I ask people to do. Educate themselves - yet I have to do SO much more on the Trans side.' "

Yet more proof 'educated' means nothing but indoctrinated.

HotCrossBungle · 13/06/2020 10:40

So basically she's been bullied and received a massive amount of verbal abuse so she's backed down and is now having to 're think' i.e. convince herself that HER point of view is wrong and that the pov of her abusers is right.

Floisme · 13/06/2020 10:41

Noma seems like a smart woman and I'm sure she will indeed go and 'educate herself', just like Martina Navratilova, Alison Moyet and JK Rowling herself did.

If she ends up on here - thank you, Noma, you did a good thing.

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 10:52

I hope she has a think - and comes out swinging.

Signalbox · 13/06/2020 12:20

I wonder if she realised that to say anything other than TWAW may put a nail in any career opportunities open to her.

Aesopfable · 13/06/2020 12:23

She didn’t experience an intense backlash she was subjected to a orchestrated campaign of abuse. I wish these papers would report correctly.

Taswama · 13/06/2020 12:28

This is like McCarthyism.

Aesopfable · 13/06/2020 12:31

How did McCarthyism end?

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 12:35

With Russia meddling in US elections...

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