Jkr

[Porridgeoat]

Just been reading through the abusive comments which have followed JKR. Sexual words telling her to suck dick, ageist put downs, sexist put downs, threatening violence and so on. And I’m thinking what kind of person makes such vile comments Towards a women with a history of being abused? People who hate women? People who hate women while wanting to access private female only spaces? It’s utterly bizarre that the chosen route to accessing female spaces is through aggressive abusive behaviour language rather then respectful dialogue. It’s even more bizarre that celebrities condemn jkr for holding a different opinion, adding to the pile on and yet they have nothing to say to say about millions of abusive Twitter threats she’s received.

Then we have young people who instead of using counselling to work through historic abuse, difficult puberty, mental health issues, or understanding their autism, have been coerced into thinking they must be trans. They are vulnerable but are being manipulated rather then supported through issues. Blind affirmation isn’t in young people’s best interest.

And I’m thinking what kind of person makes such vile comments Towards a women with a history of being abused?

Men.

Evanna Lynch (Luna Lovegood) wrote a statement that said while she completely disagreed with JKR on the trans issue, she still basically believed her to be a decent person. That kind of nuance isn't allowed on Twitter though and she was piled on.

I suspect Radcliffe and the rest realised that any condemnation of death threats and rape threats and the other vile abuse would be portrayed as "a cis-het lecturing the most oppressed people ever on how to fight the oppression that literally kills them. Cos nothing says enlightened civil rights movement like a load of violent, sexual threats and insults about a woman's vagina.

People only spoke out when it was The Sun overstepping the line. Because it's fashionable to hate The Sun.

And yeah, my sister is autistic. She cut her hair short and only wore "boys'" clothes, including trunks on the beach, from around nine years of age upwards. I can imagine what would have happened to her now. It's sad.

I was an 80s tomboy. Thank goodness I was under no pressure to state I was trans because I didn’t conform to gender stereotypes. I felt free to wear whatever and never felt cornered into considering myself a different sex

@Porridgeoat

Just been reading through the abusive comments which have followed JKR. Sexual words telling her to suck dick, ageist put downs, sexist put downs, threatening violence and so on. And I’m thinking what kind of person makes such vile comments Towards a women with a history of being abused? People who hate women? People who hate women while wanting to access private female only spaces? It’s utterly bizarre that the chosen route to accessing female spaces is through aggressive abusive behaviour language rather then respectful dialogue. It’s even more bizarre that celebrities condemn jkr for holding a different opinion, adding to the pile on and yet they have nothing to say to say about millions of abusive Twitter threats she’s received.

Then we have young people who instead of using counselling to work through historic abuse, difficult puberty, mental health issues, or understanding their autism, have been coerced into thinking they must be trans. They are vulnerable but are being manipulated rather then supported through issues. Blind affirmation isn’t in young people’s best interest.

Welcome to team 'I used to fight furiously for trans rights and then discovered this batshit misogynism'. x

I am actually almost crying after an argument with someone about this whole thing and I am starting t write off a good chunk of the younger generation.

Long story short, TRA type is kicking off that JK 'used' 'abuse' as a reason for being a horrific bigot. However, 'the bloke only slapped her a few times'..thats apparently not abuse at all and her calling it abuse is doing a disservice to victims of actual abuse. She is simply trying to play victim to get the pblic onside, and they 'wouldnt be surprised' if it turned out JK did something to 'deserve a slap' :(

Give me fucking strength, these people are fucking vile. I knew there was a lot of misogyny there don't get me wrong, but the sheer amount of people who seem to tink this is all ok is seriously scary to me.

Have now locked down my facebook so only friends can comment, not friends of friends. But I swear am actually shaking with how angry that exchange made me. That some think like that..its just horrid.

''She probably said sumthing disgusting about a minority group which made him angry then wudnt shut up about it, if past events show us anything. so he had to do something to make her shut her mouth. real victims should be angry that this is being put across as abuse when abuse is much worse than a sla every now and again. hag is just trying for sympathy and it seems to be working with a few bleeding hearts''

Direct copy ad paste from the convo^

Was unsure if I should post it..and if its upsetting (obviously its upsetting but if it really affects smeone I mean) then feel free to report it..but yeah, The thinking of these people is just scary as fuck.

Strangely, when someone said 'I think you mean slap' the guy said no I meant slag? Which doesn't make any sense at all in the context of the rest of the bile. Of course thats the least of the problems with this. But it just descended into a load of insults towards her and 'her ilk' who deny transwomen exist.

Again, jumping right to transwomen..interesting how this happened in near all responses eh

There’s no defending people who make those kinds of comments, but you find them in all protest movements be it anti-racism, XR and often they create the greatest noise on social media. Also platforms such as twitter are really not a good place to discuss these matters because they lend themselves to sound bites and catch phrases with no scope for exploration of nuance. Many people’s view on JKR evolved between the initial tweets and her subsequent explanatory blog.

You find it in all movements fulstop tbh. Have has this exact same argument a few years back with a MRA arguing against sexual assault stats. Apparently the odd grope is absoutely fine and if you just say no they will leave you alone

Definitely not saying this is exclusive to transactivists. Though it does seem more..prevalant among them when compared to anyone else (except MRAs, in which they are identical almost)

You should see some of the stuff animal rights activists post I think it’s more helpful to focus on the underlying debate.

I think its 'interesting' that the 'didnt happen, if it did it wasnt that bad, and she deserved it' type attitude seems exclusive to women speaking of trauma though.

As is the 'reporting THAT is causing problems for victims of genuine rape!' and such. Not sure how that works tbh, as many claim on their car insurance saying their car was nicked. Yet noone says those scammers are making it hard for real victims of theft (not saying a car stolen is the same as assault..of course), its exclusive to women who have been abused in some way. Just..horrid and this issue is bringing it all to the surface again, when it seemed such views were at the very least watered down somewhat following metoo. Seems acceptabe again now though. I guess victims have had enough sympathy and enough of being believed, its no longer trendy

Second para was more about the 'reporting someone grabbing your tits leaves less resources for real victims' and such..just generally, not specific to this.

I think it’s more helpful to focus on the underlying debate.

Of course. Just get quite..upset from time to time about how little women seem to mean to many, and how much shit they are expected to 'just deal with'

Think I am just random rambling now tbh.

@batshite no your posts make perfect sense to me. I’ve never accepted the view that we should have to just deal with the “minor” stuff because it somehow impacts on the successful prosecution of serious offences.

I have been regularly chastised for claiming that if a system allows a certain bad behaviour to happen then it's not protecting the people it's set up to protect because it's not even attempting to protect them all.

It's so depressing exactly how much "minor" stuff women are expected to take.

I filled out a questionnaire once in an online magazine survey about sexual violence. It asked how many times you been groped. It had categories 0, 0-3, 4-6, 6-8 (something like that. I started counting the events I remembered and the ones I knew where it wasn't out of place so I didn't remember (like in bars and clubs). I did it conservatively. I came to over 100. Easily. And that wasn't rapes etc.

The idea that women's trauma doesn't count is so ingrained in society, we can have a UN Women's Ambassador respond to JKR without even acknowledging the sex-based online abuse she's receiving, or her own account of sexual assault and DV.