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Suzanne Moore: Who decided that letting posh young actors police my womanhood was progress?

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LaureBerthaud · 12/06/2020 09:28

Suzanne Moore in The Telegraph today. Don't know if they do share tokens like the Times or if anyone is a subscriber and can cut and paste some if it under fair comment rules.

Also on her Twitter bio (is that what it's called?) she just describes herself as "bloke" Grin

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CourtneyLurve · 12/06/2020 13:29

Some excerpts:

"Ding ding . Round 10 in the TERF Wars. If these have passed you by, think yourself lucky.

I stumbled into this conflict seven years ago and am still reeling . My crime remains twofold: to believe that biological sex exists and that gender is a social construct. That’s the fun bit. The awkward bit is that I also feel that I have to be ever ready to fight the backlash against womens’ hard earned rights."

"Out in the wilds of social media, there are those who want to silence women, particularly older women, with rape and death threats.

I have never made the mistake of thinking these misogynists represent most trans people. The tiny number of the population who are trans are not the enemies of women. They want to get on with lives and should be given every support to.

In the years of being called a TERF (a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist) – which in no way sums me up, my experience or my work – I have not met anyone who is anti-trans. I have met women anxious to protect the sex-based rights of women in law to single sex provision."

"Daniel Radcliffe, without giving respect to the woman who made his career, now gets to mansplain to distressed Harry Potter fans. If you are a privileged actor who went to Eton and Cambridge, you can say “respect for transgender people remains a cultural imperative”, as Eddie Redmayne did . (Of course, that doesn’t mean you can’t nab a part playing a non-binary person and wonder if that role shouldn’t have been given to a transgender actor anyway, as he did in The Danish Girl).

If you are Emma Watson, you intone the mantra “trans woman are women”, ignoring how Rowling forensically explained her argument as a survivor of domestic abuse. It’s sad that JK Rowing had to unveil a CV of pain to get heard, but, yes, she has a reason to fear male violence."

"Women and trans people suffer terribly, but all the anger is now directed not to male abusers but to feminists. It has now become a permissible form of horrible misogyny that much of the left indulges in.

All over the world, whether its FGM, foetal sex selection, the enslavement of Yazidi women, the high mortality rates of black women giving birth, our pathetic convictions for rape, female biology remains not just a reality but the locus of oppression that we all have to fight against. There isn’t a choice about who we think we are, women remain defined by others."

fascinated · 12/06/2020 13:33

Sounds fab. I actually think Telegraph readership might be fertile ground.

picklemewalnuts · 12/06/2020 13:34

I don't understand how with people like Suzanne, JKR, and many many other articulate commenters explaining the situation, that this is in any way still an issue. I mean, come on? What's there to disagree with or not understand? It's clearly laid out for all to see. How can this battle still need fighting?

Pasghetti · 12/06/2020 13:35

Yes I'm considering a trial subscription to them

CourtneyLurve · 12/06/2020 13:37

If you do subscribe, go to the cancel tab after the first month and it will offer you half price for a year. Wink

ChattyLion · 12/06/2020 13:37

Great writing by Suzanne Moore. De-sexist-ing The Daily Telegraph will be like pushing water uphill but on the other hand they and the Times are the only papers who publish gender critical women’s views, so..

fascinated · 12/06/2020 13:38

People are thick and easily led

Pasghetti · 12/06/2020 13:51

Thanks @CourtneyLurve I feel homeless on the newspaper front. I was a Guardianista but they lost me so badly on the trans stuff and for general woke bro cookie credentials.

CourtneyLurve · 12/06/2020 14:03

@Pasghetti I'm the same. I actually hate the Telegraph political stuff but they have a lot of female writers writing about other stuff and I love their consumer reporter, Katie Morley.

Aesopfable · 12/06/2020 14:09

I have never made the mistake of thinking these misogynists represent most trans people. The tiny number of the population who are trans are not the enemies of women.

Why do they always feel they need to say this? Stonewall has spread the net wide and these people are now all trans. They are representing trans people and they are certainly representing the men who want to gain access to single sex spaces. It is these people the politicians are being pressure by, it is these people who are training our children, it is these people who are writing guidelines on behalf of public sector and private sector organisations, it is these people that politicians are seeking to change the law to enable.

pachyderm · 12/06/2020 16:34

The Telegraph isn't bad. I ignore the Tory stuff and they have some decent writers. And Julie Burchill makes me laugh, which is more than I can say about most of the Guardian.

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