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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Guardian asks: Why is JK Rowling speaking out now on sex and gender?

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RoyalCorgi · 12/06/2020 08:13

The Guardian, clearly realising it can't ignore a huge story, but on the other hand not wanting to upset the rampant TRAs in its midst, has published a particularly feeble article that attempts to explain the debate between feminists and TRAs. In a painful attempt to be even-handed, it tries to make the TRA case sound reasonable as opposed to the steaming heap of misogynistic nonsense it actually is. (It's a bit like writing a well-meaning guide to why black people in South Africa are upset about apartheid, and giving the white view equal prominence to the black view.)

Here it is:
www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/11/why-is-jk-rowling-speaking-out-now-on-sex-and-gender-debate

No surprise that the piece is by Libby Brooks, who also thought that the important part of the story about Julie Bindel being attacked was Edinburgh University's LGBT committee resigning in response:

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/06/edinburgh-lgbt-committee-resigns-over-transphobic-hate-on-campus

and who, a few years ago, wrote a piece called "Grooming and our ignoble tradition of racialising crime" which is all about how awful it is that Muslim men are being blamed for the abuse of girls. (Sample quote: "But what has not emerged is any consistent evidence to suggest that Pakistani Muslim men are uniquely and disproportionately involved in these crimes, nor that they are preying on white girls because they believe them to be legitimate sexual quarry, as is now being suggested.")

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jan/07/grooming-racialising-crime-tradition

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OldCrone · 12/06/2020 10:21

A journalist wanting to inform ppl might have considered linking to information as to what this means.

A journalist wanting to inform people would have been more honest about what TRAs are really worried about:

There is also concern that, when a woman of such influence and popularity as Rowling sets out a critical position, then the wider public, who are largely supportive of transgender people according to most recent British Social Attitudes research unaware of what is going on, may begin to question their fundamental rights wake up to this wholesale attack on women's rights.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 12/06/2020 11:09

She didn’t ‘come out’ as GC during pride month - she’s been clear for ages she’s GC

The terminology ‘coming out GC’ is nuts.

We have all been GC until the last 5 minutes since the wokerati have turn truth, science, biology and women’s lived experience into the Spanish Inquisition.

VickyEadieofThigh · 12/06/2020 11:18

This 'she shouldn't have done this in Pride month' bit pisses me right off and I speak as one of the L.

Every fucking month is somehow given to recognition of the T in some way or other, so you're hard pushed to find a space clear to express your views, aren't you?

merrymouse · 12/06/2020 11:36

I thought it was slightly dangerous timing to sort of "come out as GC" during Pride Month, or do you think she didn't realise or didn't think people would use that against her?

She hasn't just come out as GC.

This has been bubbling along for a while because she has liked particular posts. She then tweeted in support of Maya Forstater a few months ago, asserting that yes, sex does exist. This obviously made her a major target, but the latest round was triggered by (I think? - please correct me people who know more!), her posting a picture that has since been deleted that somehow related to an attack on Maria Maclachlan.

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/transgender-activist-tara-wolf-fined-150-for-assaulting-exclusionary-radical-feminist-in-hyde-park-a3813856.html. (for reference - this isn't what what she tweeted).

This lead to trans activists claiming that she wasn't safe around children, (she threatened to sue) and targeting the on-line release of her latest story, which is happening at the moment because of lock-down. If you are wondering how they would have targeted the on-line release, have a look at these recent screenshots. I think they were threatening worse. (Again others may be able to provide more info on this).

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

There has been a campaign of sustained abuse.

If the Guardian really wanted to explain why this is happening now, they should have mentioned some of this.

merrymouse · 12/06/2020 11:41

Also, as mentioned in the article, legislation is being changed now, and lesbians who are fighting for the right to define their sexuality as same sex attraction, not same gender attraction, have been chucked out of Pride. If you don't think Pride is just about rainbows, this seems a very good time to discuss this topic.

nauticant · 12/06/2020 14:48

More relevant than when JKR "came out as GC" is when the oppressive monitoring of JKR started with trans activists kicking around slurs like toys and waiting for her to make one false move so they could go in hard:

twitter.com/SabotTori/status/922943821167628290

It's been nearly 3 years of JKR knowing that she was being watched carefully by nasty and aggressive people waiting for a chance to attack. Maybe longer.

Fivefourthree · 12/06/2020 14:53

JKR didn't start this recently. There was that memorable tweet that got a lot of people talking late last year. She was supporting a woman who lost her job after coming out as GC, iirc.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2020 19:15

This obviously made her a major target, but the latest round was triggered by (I think? - please correct me people who know more!), her posting a picture that has since been deleted that somehow related to an attack on Maria Maclachlan.

Yes that's right, she accidentally copied and pasted a line from a blog or newspaper article describing the attack on MM. She deleted it straight away but the TRAs were outraged by the fact that it referred to the perpetrator as male. Much more outraged than about the actual violent attack on a woman, predictably.

JK deleted and said it was a mistake but defended herself by saying that she wasn't going to bow to "thought policing". And of course the woke mob attacked her. That was the weekend before these tweets and TRAs were all week being horribly abusive and threatening to post dick pics in responses to children sending her photos of their artwork, like the all round noble pillars of the community and dainty ladies they are.

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