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Anyone have a Telegraph Subscription? Suzanne Moore Article

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Al1Langdownthecleghole · 11/06/2020 21:37

I've just seen on twitter that Suzanne Moore has written about posh young actors and wanted to read her thoughts, but don't have a subscription. It also looks like you have to put card details in to register for free articles. Does anyone know of a workaround please?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/decided-letting-posh-young-actors-police-womanhood-progress/

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Melroses · 11/06/2020 21:41

The top part looked good.

I enjoyed her tweet yesterday:
Free Body Shop Smelly Fruity Shite to all posh actors now! That will learn them.

cataline · 11/06/2020 21:45

TEXT

"Ding ding. Round 10 in the TERF Wars. If these have passed you by, think yourself lucky.

I stumbled into this conflict seven years ago and am still reeling . My crime remains twofold: to believe that biological sex exists and that gender is a social construct. That’s the fun bit. The awkward bit is that I also feel that I have to be ever ready to fight the backlash against womens’ hard earned rights.

JK Rowling, who ticks every 'woke' box and gives her away huge amounts of money, ventured on Twitter with some jokey remarks about the ridiculousness of a social justice campaign that chose to say “people who menstruate” instead of the word 'women'.

In my doctors', I see this too. Now it is “people with cervixes” who are advised to get smear tests. I look forward to men being addressed “people with prostates” or “penis-havers”, or just “ejaculators”. But, then, we rarely talk about trans men or ask men to give up any of their rights to accommodate them.

Of course, it didn’t take long for Twitter to get the ducking stool out. Rowling doesn’t care about trans men who menstruate; she is the reason trans people get killed; she is a dried-up old hag who needs her mouth taping shut. The torrent of awful, woman-hating abuse which appeared, but I can’t repeat here, is sadly recognisable to me. Out in the wilds of social media, there are those who want to silence women, particularly older women, with rape and death threats.

I have never made the mistake of thinking these misogynists represent most trans people. The tiny number of the population who are trans are not the enemies of women. They want to get on with lives and should be given every support to.

In the years of being called a TERF (a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist) – which in no way sums me up, my experience or my work – I have not met anyone who is anti-trans. I have met women anxious to protect the sex-based rights of women in law to single sex provision.
This rests on accepting, as science does, that biological sex exists. Self-identification with no meaningful gatekeeping is controversial as it all allows men to call themselves women, hence the tedious battleground of loos and changing rooms and the more significant ones of refuges, prisons and sports. As many transwomen retain male genitalia, the old-style “sex change” can now simply involve mascara.

It's much easier to go along with all this if you want to keep your audience, I guess.

Daniel Radcliffe, without giving respect to the woman who made his career, now gets to mansplain to distressed Harry Potter fans.

If you are a privileged actor who went to Eton and Cambridge, you can say “respect for transgender people remains a cultural imperative”, as Eddie Redmayne did . (Of course, that doesn’t mean you can’t nab a part playing a non-binary person and wonder if that role shouldn’t have been given to a transgender actor anyway, as he did in The Danish Girl).

If you are Emma Watson, you intone the mantra “trans woman are women”, ignoring how Rowling forensically explained her argument as a survivor of domestic abuse. It’s sad that JK Rowing had to unveil a CV of pain to get heard, but, yes, she has a reason to fear male violence.
Women and trans people suffer terribly, but all the anger is now directed not to male abusers but to feminists. It has now become a permissible form of horrible misogyny that much of the left indulges in.

All over the world, whether its FGM, foetal sex selection, the enslavement of Yazidi women, the high mortality rates of black women giving birth, our pathetic convictions for rape, female biology remains not just a reality but the locus of oppression that we all have to fight against. There isn’t a choice about who we think we are, women remain defined by others.

Of course I accept trans people exist and need support, but why must my reality be erased to do so?

I am a grown woman – but am I to have posh young actors police my womanhood and be told that this is progress?
I won’t be shut up by those who have never had to fight for a single right they enjoy."

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 11/06/2020 21:57

Thank You cataline That's a good article.

trans people exist and need support, but why must my reality be erased to do so?

Indeed.

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CaraDune · 11/06/2020 22:09

There's three other articles in there - two broadly supportive of JKR (and obviously angry at the fact that she's being attacked when she's disclosed being a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence) and one TRA-type article from their journo who's been documenting their "trans journey" (author prior to transition of "Not Guilty: In Defence of Men Hmm).

So far 3-1 in favour of JKR.

CaraDune · 11/06/2020 22:11

The Amazon listing describes it as "A rebuttal of feminist charges against men discusses such issues as child sexual abuse, the sexual harassment of males, husband battering, and the presupposition of men's guilt"

Double Hmm

Doryhunky · 11/06/2020 22:14

Great article!

HotWatBot · 11/06/2020 22:21

I hate the way that women often have to share details of how they've been physically or sexually abused in order to get anyone to listen to them.

Melia100 · 11/06/2020 22:35

I hate the way that women often have to share details of how they've been physically or sexually abused in order to get anyone to listen to them

Even more when it's then used against them - 'playing the DV card' as I heard it so charmingly described yesterday.

Thanks for the text, cataline

zanahoria · 11/06/2020 23:16

and one TRA-type article from their journo who's been documenting their "trans journey"

Who is so ridiculous that I bet even most TRAs think that it is a piss take

ChattyLion · 11/06/2020 23:33

Good article

7ofNine · 11/06/2020 23:51

Thank you Cataline

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