The most "vulnerable"

[ofwarren]

I mentioned on the AIBU thread that im Aspergers diagnosed so sometimes need things explained as I deal in facts. My question is, where does the TW are the "most vulnerable" in society come from?
I cant see evidence that they are.
What about refugees, women suffering domestic violence, children in CSA situations, the disabled, those with terminal illness, those extremely vulnerable who are now shielded.

I understand there are high rates of suicide ideation amongst trans teens but the stats show that men are most likely to commit suicide.
Its probably a really stupid question and im sorry for that, but what am I missing?

Of course you're entitled to ask, Ofwarren, you're just one of several people today who've started similar threads with the same 'Educate me, what am I missing?' request and we're very aware that there are trans allies just waiting for someone here to say something intemperate so they can take a screenshot and put it on Twitter and prove to the world that we're all witches.

It's also difficult to prove because it's never clear what 'trans' means.

To solve the problem you would need to analyse the statistics and work out which trans people are most vulnerable and why, but the statistics aren't used to solve a problem, they are used to justify a solution.

That twitter page has been pulled.

Lots of people were pointing out the irresponsibility of posting about suicide ideation, so hopefully that's why

but that doesn't apply to all and it doesn't exclude the possibility that some are potentially harmful to other vulnerable people.

Yes. This BBC article claims that in prison "The total number of transgender victims far exceeds the number who were suspected of carrying out sex attacks, with only one such case in 2019."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52748117

The stats are dodgy for many reason (e.g. the different relative sizes of the male and female estate make any comparison difficult), but the comparison in itself doesn't make sense. People are attacked in prison for many reasons but it does not follow that because somebody is a victim they can't also be a perpetrator.

@Shedbuilder

Of course you're entitled to ask, Ofwarren, you're just one of several people today who've started similar threads with the same 'Educate me, what am I missing?' request and we're very aware that there are trans allies just waiting for someone here to say something intemperate so they can take a screenshot and put it on Twitter and prove to the world that we're all witches.

Im happy to read elsewhere if there are recommendations. I understand that there are TRAs waiting to screenshot but this board has been and continues to be educational to those of us who just lurk. Lurkers are always going to feel emboldened to ask questions when something as big as the JK Rowling thing happens. Its a good thing. It might help them to talk to their friends and family or to feel confident when expressing their point of view on social media. I said in the OP that my question is probably stupid but I just want to hear other peoples opinions on the topic without getting shouted down, like I would on twitter. Im sorry if it came across as naive. Im not very eloquent and am even worse so at the moment with post corona viral brain fog. Im not highly educated and my aspergers can make me struggle with communication.

You're right OP, they aren't extremely vulnerable. That's a carefully crafted tactic. This is a good thread by Jane Clare Jones: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270632633052127232.html

I think they get away with it because most men have such utter disdain for women that they feel huge pity for men who want to be one. Basically, they can't imagine anything worse. And when you look at all the sissification stuff that's such a theme in the trans community, you realise that a lot of men who want to be women think like that too. It's a fetish

You can ask, of course, but it's very complicated and time-consuming for people to explain to you properly and at length. There are similar threads already in progress on toilets and 'I think transwomen are women' and it's eating up hundreds of hours of women's time explaining.

No one's calling you stupid or shouting you down. You may just have the bad luck to have posted the seventh or eighth 'I don't know about this, tell me what you know' thread in the last couple of days. You might want to try reading lots of random threads. That's certainly the way I got up to speed when I first found FWR.

Teenagers who think they might be trans certainly are vulnerable; they are coached into believing they will be suicidal if they don’t transition, they are told they must injure themselves with binders which cause them such harm they are unable to take part in exercise. They are sold drugs that reduce their IQ and bone density, causes infertility, and remove the ability for sexual pleasure once they reach adulthood, that increase their risk of various diseases such as cancer and osteoporosis. Safeguarding ceases to apply to them...

And when you look at all the sissification stuff that's such a theme in the trans community, you realise that a lot of men who want to be women think like that too. It's a fetish

I hadn’t thought about that; they see womanhood as being vulnerable so claim this as part of their fetish, but obviously more so?

That is a brilliant thread @Clymene thank you so much.
Off to follow Dr Jane Clare Jones on twitter...

I'm wondering, if some posters asking these questions are feeling like me, whether posters have maybe lurked for a while here and in RL kept their heads down but in light of events of this week have just fucking had enough and are ready to have those conversations with people around us who just aren't getting it.

If so, and I speak for myself in this, perhaps they want to get their facts and stats right so we are equipped to knock any bollocks () on the head with facts. I appreciate time more knowledgeable posters than myself take to clarify the facts. OP check out the Break it Down for Me thread.

JKR is amazing and has more balls than ER and DR put together.

TellMeWhen
I will check that thread thanks
The way you describe it is certainly how I feel. I basically just keep my head down on social media but the abuse that JK has had infuriated me.
Ive followed lots of GC accounts now and am just blocking idiots.
Loads of the abuse is coming from people ive followed for ages too.

You're welcome @ofwarren 

@Aesopfable - it's just a theory. If you have the stomach for it have a look at #girlslikeus on Twitter

Very few men who transition, especially later in life, seem to want to be like a 'normal' woman. They want to be objectified and humiliated, faux scared and babyish. They adopt cutesy little girl names and pose like anime schoolgirl figures in tiny skirts

I don't know any middle aged women who do that. That isn't about wanting to be a woman or being absolutely disgusted by your male body. It's about reinventing yourself as a sex doll

You can do some basic maths yourself OP, to get a sense of the validity of the claim.

It's commonly estimated that there are 300,000 to 500,000 trans people in the UK. Over the past decade, the homicide rate has been around 1 trans person per year. Using the 300,000 number this gives a homicide rate of about 3 trans people per million trans people, per year in the UK.

Then compare with the population overall:

There were 12 offences of homicide per million population, and the homicide rate for males (17 per million population) was just over double that for females (8 per million population).

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018

What you need to keep in mind is that a central tenet of the gender identity ideology is that trans people live their lives facing horrible risks of violence and death far in excess of the rest of us. Because of this, the only humane thing to do is to agree to every demand made by trans activists.

Most of the stats for the UK are unofficial figures and therefore unverifiable until we've had some proper data collection and analysis.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

Yes, there's plenty that could be nit-picked over my back-of-a-fag-packet maths above but I'd be delighted to see a respectable statistical body being given the task to provide some robust numbers.

But of course, anyone who's been following this issue for some time has seen time and time again that attempts to carry out unbiased studies to get to the bottom of what's going on tend to get shut down as a result of trans activist protests.

It's about reinventing yourself as a sex doll

I saw an episode of ‘botched’ where there was a man who was quite literally doing this through cosmetic surgery - they even bought a sex doll in with them as what they were aiming for.

Looking at your link Nonnymouse there a few things it fails to pick up; it says because of the small numbers it would only take one extra murder a year for the rate to double (well, yes) but even if the rate doubled it would still be lower than the rest of the population. We can be fairly certain that TRAs will be identifying every case they can.

The ONS crime survey finds too few cases to report so they dismiss that, and they also dismiss the police reported figures - because they don’t tally with Stonewalls. And we know Stonewall Is biased, we also know that Stonewall’s normally defines transgender violence to include ‘misgendering‘. And in this case domestic abuse included their partner threatening to commit suicide - something that they threaten constantly.

How do transwoman sex worker murders compare to the rate for woman sex worker murders?
I've noticed a big uptick in concern for sex workers (sex work is work) since trans support became popular. But I don't see viral tweets for ordinary sex workers when they are killed, only for trans sw.