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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Philip Pullman

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Apileofballyhoo · 11/06/2020 14:27

Don't know if people had seen this.

mobile.twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1271051409077743616

Philip Pullman
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BaronessFloralBunting · 11/06/2020 19:00

In my experience as a fairly wobbly theist now, having had a period of very strong religious faith in the past, men who make it part of their persona to be outspoken atheists, railing against religion, usually seem to have a superiority complex and resentment that they aren't respected. I'm generalizing, of course, but some of the most insecure, argumentative, emotional atheists I've spoken to have been men. The female atheists tend to be much more logical and well thought through. With men, it seems to be a status thing. Pullman always came across to me like that, especially in the way he always seemed to want a pissing contest with the long dead CS Lewis. Like, dude. Get over it.

Shedbuilder · 11/06/2020 19:09

I sent it to him. Thank you for the suggestion.

Barearseloverofthigh · 11/06/2020 19:25

I've written to him now too!

Although i'm sure all this new information will just befuddle the poor man even more. He's probably going to feel like he's been smacked on the head with another pigs bladder Hmm

QOFE · 11/06/2020 20:01

Pullman did an interview some years ago that touched on trans issues, and iirc he was fairly clearly against medical transition for children. I'm going to google it now because I am sure I've remembered that right, in fact I think I read about it on MN at the time.

nauticant · 11/06/2020 20:16

Actually, there's this from less than a year ago:

And, of course, there’s always Twitter, where he remains as lively as ever. “I got into terrible trouble a year or two ago because I said, in all innocence, ‘Look what is this quarrel between feminists and trans people? What’s the argument about?’”

He claims, rather mischievously, that he still doesn’t understand the debate about whether gender can be overthrown biologically or socially, but I suggest it’s a relevant topic to his books, in which almost all children are born with a daemon of the opposite sex, who represents the other part of them, perhaps their soul. The daemon changes animal until puberty, when it takes a fixed form and the child finds out who they really are. It does make me think about the question of trans children and blocking puberty. He turns very thoughtful about this.

“If I had a child, boy or girl, who felt passionately from an early age, manifestly that they were in the wrong body, I hope I would be understanding and as kind as possible,” he says. “What I don’t think I’d do is hasten them away to an endocrinologist. I know that if you want to transition, it is physically more plausible, or persuasive, if you do it before puberty, but is a child before puberty capable of… I mean the answer is, we don’t know, do we? We don’t know. The only thing we can do is to be as kind as possible.”

www.theguardian.com/global/2019/sep/29/philip-pullman-i-am-a-citizen-and-a-writer

It looks like faux-naïveté is a trick he likes playing. A bit of a dick move, especially in an issue like this.

BaronessFloralBunting · 11/06/2020 20:22

Oh, he's mischievous, is he? Fancies himself with a twinkle in his eye.

Cos it doesn't feckin' matter to him because no one will be suggesting a choking incident with a ladycock whatever he says. He's like those arses who like to play the wind up and say they're 'playing devil's advocate'. Dick.

Doyoumind · 11/06/2020 21:06

Yes, he's being an utter dick. Thinks himself clever and won't put a foot seriously wrong.

He clearly doesn't give a shiny shit about women's rights or trans rights. Neither have any impact on him whatsoever.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 13/06/2020 06:36

If you need some amusement, you could do worse than watching Pullman get his head handed to him on a stick for quoting Simone de Beauvoir and not understanding the quote.
mobile.twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1271560377273384962

I think he must model his Twitter persona on some 1950s version of the Grand Old Man of Literature.

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twoHopes · 13/06/2020 08:26

Judging by that tweet about Dr Beauvoir, I think the faux-naivete is exactly right. He thinks he's incredibly smart and everyone else is silly. The tweets are there for attention, to insert himself into a hot topic. I think he's best ignored.

Doyoumind · 13/06/2020 08:30

I agree with the faux naivety. He's just playing around with people. As I said before, he has no skin in the game and doesn't really care.

Apileofballyhoo · 13/06/2020 20:35

Just had a good laugh at his expense.

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UncleShady · 13/06/2020 20:42

Is it mischief or strategic incompetence?

littlbrowndog · 13/06/2020 20:44

Yeah agree. He’s just being a silly guy. And he doesn5 even see it tbh

Attention seeking like a wee toddler

Doyoumind · 13/06/2020 20:55

It's mischief. Rather a sad way to spend one's time.

nauticant · 13/06/2020 21:01

It's deliberate. It's pathetic.

Maybe it's because despite his considerable success and wealth he's far behind JKR. Or maybe he feels inadequate when he sees how courageous JKR is being.

7Days · 13/06/2020 21:18

I've said it before

It's a simple thing to kick at the power of the Church, now, or 20 years ago, in Western Europe
He took on nothing and no one. Churches have only a mere fraction of the social and political power they once did.
And I'm speaking as an Irish woman who grew up in the 90s.

He wont take on today's orthodoxy. Kick em on the way down, Philip, and lick em on the way up.

twoHopes · 13/06/2020 21:32

I am sticking the boot in here a little bit but I've read the Dark Materials trilogy and concluded that Pullman is not as smart as he thinks he is. He tries to weave in references to pop-sciencey physics theories such as the uncertainty principle and the quantum consciousness connection but it's clear he's not really getting it. I think he's one of those men who read, and half understand, layman's science books and then mansplain it back to you (even though you have a degree in it). I've met a lot of those men in my life.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 13/06/2020 21:45

Nothing to see here, he's just your common or garden, selfish privileged male, who happens to be a bit famous. We've got our pick of those, yawn.

Apileofballyhoo · 13/06/2020 21:48

Yup 7days. I actually find it boring now.

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Goosefoot · 13/06/2020 22:03

I am sticking the boot in here a little bit but I've read the Dark Materials trilogy and concluded that Pullman is not as smart as he thinks he is. He tries to weave in references to pop-sciencey physics theories such as the uncertainty principle and the quantum consciousness connection but it's clear he's not really getting it. I think he's one of those men who read, and half understand, layman's science books and then mansplain it back to you (even though you have a degree in it). I've met a lot of those men in my life.

He's the same way with regard to the theological topics he tries to address. It's a literary treatment so fair game not to be some sort of philosophical essay but he doesn't seem to understand the things he wants to challenge.

While he might be fooling with the misquote of The Second Sex, I'm not sure about that. I think it's very possible that he might not have read it, or if he has, he might not have really taken in the distinction being made.

AsTreesWalking · 13/06/2020 23:42

twohopes and goosefoot absolutely - he actually displays the same kind of weary (but not terribly well-informed) disdain that you see in 6th formers who have been told they're clever rather too often.
I lost all respect for him when I realised (well into the second book ) that he never was going to introduce or challenge a Christ figure in His Dark Materials. Makes it a pretty hollow attack on Christianity...

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