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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jonathan Ross - well done

94 replies

LockdownLump · 08/06/2020 06:54

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jonathan-ross-fiercely-defends-jk-22153984

Here he is again - sticking up for the side of rationality!!

The BTL comments are heartening too.

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Thisismytimetoshine · 10/06/2020 20:46

So the sad sack didn't know what he thought until his daughter told him? What a dweeb.

MorganKitten · 10/06/2020 20:50

No he took the time to learn about other people, seeing as he has an open marriage you’d think he’d be more open minded anyway.

Thisismytimetoshine · 10/06/2020 20:54

What do you think he learnt about "other people" that JK Rowling doesn't yet know? Answers on a postcard, please.

Thisismytimetoshine · 10/06/2020 21:02

Totally predictable silence 🤷🏻‍♀️

7Days · 10/06/2020 21:14

Keep scolding Morgan, love

JemimaShore · 10/06/2020 21:20

Jonathan Ross seems to have been torn between a woman he knows is a good person (JK Rowling) - because he has interviewed her, possibly read her books, is aware of her incredible charities....

...and his own daughter. Who is sadly very very woke - and happy to throw a woman like JK under the bus.

I think it boils down to that.

I hope he reads her statement about this.

Thisismytimetoshine · 10/06/2020 21:21

Who is sadly very very woke - and happy to throw a woman like JK under the bus.
So he did too... Spineless.

LockdownLump · 10/06/2020 22:51

I am so sorry I started this thread.

I started it as a beacon of hope. Another person with a huge platform who understood. So I thought.

I was wrong.

Today I have emailed JK's office to let them know I stand with her. Got a lovely response.

I have read the abuse she has received and I have shed a tear.

Fuck you wossy. FUCK YOU 😪

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SirVixofVixHall · 10/06/2020 23:06

OP would you PM me the email please ? I want to thank her.

LockdownLump · 10/06/2020 23:11

[email protected]

That's the address I and many others from the boards sent our emails of support to.

So good to know they are read and passed on.

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CheerfuIPotato · 10/06/2020 23:17

Wossy is a wussy.

His daughter seems like a charmless dollop but I take a previous posters point; she’s probably far scarier than a few pesky women telling him he’s wrong.

JemimaShore · 10/06/2020 23:19

Wossy is just one of a long list of men who have stood back, for whatever reason.

I am confident that deep down, both he and his daughters know what a woman is. It's just too scary for them to say.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 11/06/2020 00:30

I am confident that deep down, both he and his daughters know what a woman is. It's just too scary for them to say

Or maybe, instead of "being too scary", just don't agree?
You can believe in biological sex being real (I do) , but at the same time accept trans women and men.
I'm not even going to get into I know my biology, but at the same time identify as a woman.
There's something more there for me and that's all I'm saying as I can't be arsed with all the shit that comes if you say this.

JamieLeeCurtains · 11/06/2020 00:51

But JKR does accept trans people. Why would you pretend she doesn't?

CheerfuIPotato · 11/06/2020 01:37

Yes. She’s made it very clear she accepts transpeople.

Ritascornershop · 11/06/2020 03:45

I have some sympathy for Ross. One of my young adult kids is gender critical, the other is very woke. We’ve had to agree to never discuss it (me and the woke one) as it’s is the only thing we have ever disagreed about (weird but true, where my gc kid and I have butted heads on plenty). I’m a woman so I can hold firm: I can understand a man in the headlights of an Uber-woke daughter on the spectrum just wanting the shouting to stop.

RevIMJolly · 11/06/2020 09:06

I bet he feels a bit stupid now if he’s read JKR’s essay. At least I hope so.

And I would imagine that Redmayne may, in the future, despair of his timing. He looks like an absolute dick.

Radcliffe was described in today’s Times as ‘graceless’. And I fundamentally believe that there will be loads of folk who have no idea what’s happening, but will know that Radcliffe capitulated to save his own skin. The narrative will simplify and he will be known as someone who betrayed the person he owes his career to. And there will be interviewers and reviewers who will not give him the benefit of the doubt.

I always wanted him to be a better actor than he was. Now I have the relief of no longer hoping that him or Watson could act their way out of a paper bag.

Twitter may be full of US avatars telling him he is wonderful, but that is not the real world.

But as we’ve said before, how many famous/ well regarded / intelligent people have actually come out and disagreed with JKR?

Where are the world leaders? The great writers? The respected philosophers?

There is a lot of people making a lot of noise about this, and they feel very influential at the moment. But remember when it seemed impossible that the NHS would never stop saying puberty blockers had no effect on children? It was hard, boring, non-glittery activism that got that changed. And we will get other things changed as well.

Doyoumind · 05/08/2020 12:09

I noticed around the time that after his retraction and re-education, JR stayed off Twitter. I've just been back to check and he's not been on since 8th June. His last tweet was his retraction. Has this debate scared him away from Twitter? It seems strange as he's been on it for so long. If that's the case it shows how toxic the debate has become.

Forgivenandsetfree · 05/08/2020 20:51

@LockdownLump I've sent JK a message too, I hope she gets to read it personally x

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