Philip Davies MP tables men's right activist amendments to the Domestic Abuse Bill

[Jeanhatchet]

Please write to your MP to object. Philip Davies MP has tabled many amendments including removing economic abuse https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0096/amend/domesticrmmpbc0428.1-7.html

Oh no. I really could cry. Was he the man who blocked the up skirting bill?

No. That was Christopher Chope

This is the one that tried to Filibuster the Istanbul Convention ratification debate

including removing economic abuse

I'm a little confused by this claim, it seems like they're separating economic abuse into its own category of specific abuse, I think due to the need to add specifics as to the boundaries of economic abuse. I may be misreading how the amendment is structured.

Some other amendments, such as the tracking of the sex of victims and offenders and having the interests of female and male victims represented by specific groups seems like things I would have, in isolation, expected almost everyone on FWR to agree with. They certainly seem sensible to me but, again, I may be misunderstanding.

I saw your tweet and read the bill. I’m horrified.

Also - Another one for Baroness Nicholson and Jackie Price Doyle for anyone on twitter??

These seem like positive changes, for example:

This new clause would require the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions if, in any homicide case in which any of the injuries were inflicted in the course of domestic abuse, the charge (or the plea to be accepted) is of anything less than murder. It would also require the Director of Public Prosecutions to consult the immediate family of the deceased before deciding whether or not to give such consent.

And this is a really positive change:

This new clause would prevent consent from being used as a defence to a prosecution in cases of domestic abuse which result in serious injury or death.

digbee, those amendments were tabled by Harriet Harman, Mark Garnier and Laura Farris. Each amendment has the name(s) of the MP(s) tabling them above the proposed amendment.

@ThinEndoftheWedge .... he's their people. More important to be challenged by the Victims Commissioner and others who actually understand domestic abuse.

@digbee exactly ....

This amendment would make sure that male and female perpetrators of domestic abuse are prosecuted in similar relative numbers.

Can someone explain this to me?How is this possible?

Thanks for explaining Gronky.

Oncewas - I guess this means that if 30% of make abusers are prosecuted then 30% of female abusers should be too. But as demonstrated above, I am no legal expert!

I guess this means that if 30% of make abusers are prosecuted then 30% of female abusers should be too.

I'm not sure it's a direct requirement for the justice system (i.e. tit-for-tat prosecution numbers) but rather a requirement to explore (and correct, where necessary) any discrepancies in the prosecution rate.

he's their people.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

Both seem to be vocal about the rights of women and girls. That is what is important.

I'm not very good on Parliamentary procedure but can someone clarify these amendments.

Aren't they the ones discussed on 28 April and if so need to check Hansard or whatever to see what happened to them.

Or are they the ones verbally added during the debate on 28 April?

This is what he said on 28th bit.ly/2Yfg6LO

At the end it just says Second Reading completed and it now goes to committee hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2020-04-28/debates/AABF0D9C-D3BC-40C5-830A-52073E09ED35/DomesticAbuseBill

So is it the Committee that will decide on which amendments to include?

The first meeting of the Committee is 4 June, ie today! services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-21/domesticabuse/stages.html

This is the latest version of the Bill for anyone who has the time to read it. Its too late at night for me. publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0096/cbill_2019-20210096_en_1.htm

I know some groups have been writing to committee members, but dont think any of them touch on his proposed amendments which is why I sort of assumed they hadn't been included.

'Oncewas - I guess this means that if 30% of make abusers are prosecuted then 30% of female abusers should be too. But as demonstrated above, I am no legal expert!'

Sadly not.

This is the guy who said that it's sexist that more men are in prison than women, and for equality purposes the number of men and women in prison should be the same.

So the intent is equal numbers and not relative percentages.

This is the guy who said that it's sexist that more men are in prison than women, and for equality purposes the number of men and women in prison should be the same.

Do you have a link, because that makes him sound like a right wanker.

The idea that men and women domestic abusers should be prosecuted in the same proportions assumes that they abuse in the same way. However, the links I have read here show that men are more likely than women to perpetrate more violent abuse, including murder and manslaughter.

I took a look at his amendments to economic abuse (thanks for the link JeanHatchet). So far as I can see a woman who was not married to her abuser would have very little protection at all.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-philip-davies-says-more-women-should-be-sent-to-prison-to-achieve-equality-with-men-a6741556.html%3famp

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/14/philip-davies-claim-courts-favour-women-no-evidence-jean-corston

Includes about a meeting he was at with F4J, his suspension, comments about feminists etc etc

In short yes he is a right wanker.

He joined the women and equalities committee explicitly to disrupt it.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-feminism-women-equalities-committee-renamed-remove-reference-a7558926.html%3famp

There are another 3000 links to show what an arsehole this man is now you know what to Google!

Philip Davies is a horrendous MRA but has his own Ladies group.
Unfortunately the main women's opposition to him (Shipley Feminist Zealots) is also entirely TWAW, ejects those that disagree etc.