Ms Magazine - gender and organ inclusive terms

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Saw this tweet from the brilliant Filia:

twitter.com/FiLiA_charity/status/1267701983806459904?s=19

"This nonsense is antithetical to Feminism @MsMagazine

*We propose a new gender-and-organ-inclusive use of the word which means “some combination of vagina, vulva, clitoris, uterus, bladder, rectum, anus, and who knows maybe some testes.”

t.co/yAC1uHKy4B "

However, are they not referring to testes because some women with DSDs have internal testes?

I suppose it's possible. For some women with DSDs internal testes are a feature of their genitourinary system. But the only woman I know with a DSD also has the most marvellously expressive eyebrows, and I can just imagine the face she'd pull at the idea of calling testes "pussy". Or possibly "pussies" where there's two of 'em. It's giving me a lovely warm glow.

Still not sure why we need to repurpose a misogynistic and dehumanising slang word for the vagina to encompass the entirety of the plumbing. Oh look, there's another word we already have to cover that aspect of things!

I fundamentally agree that people need accessible, accurate information about their genitalia and how they function. Preferably with accurate diagrams and/or models and a chance to ask questions from reliable sources
Its just not really possible to deliver this in a queer theory soaked environment where the reality of biological sex is unmentionable and we have to all pretend that somehow testes are a part of female genitalia

So is pussy the new word for women and women is now the word for people formerly known as women, plus transwomen, less transmen and less non-binary people?

Do we need to start campaigning for the rights of pussies?

"I wanted to help women understand their own bodies via the medium of the porn that the men around them are obsessed with", says useful idiot.

Nailed it.

Lets just forget that a huge part of consciousness raising in the history of feminism was to give women words for and knowledge of their own anatomy and physiology, to have female anatomy (and pathology) studied and taken seriously, to have the language to describe their experiences and the confidence to use that language when important eg in reference to their own bodily experiences, in relationships, in medical situations, to remove the stigma of shame in referring to female anatomy and its functions, to be published in books and taught and read about.

Post of the day for me. Loads of arguments with women as my kids grew up as they were adamant I should not have told my children about the clitoris as young kids. And horror that I told my children as toddlers that their sibling was developing in my womb. Should have said ‘tummy’.

Should have said ‘tummy’.

Because... toddlers will be permanently scarred by the realisation that they have internal organs? Some people have the weirdest notions!

I thought it was odd to tell them a baby was developing in the same space that they considered food to go in

I've seen some adult male lawmakers who seem to still have an "in the mummy's tummy" level of understanding of pregnancy, which is one argument for being more clear and direct.

Squirting is a somewhat curious starting point for this particular inclusivity/genitals article..

Female ejaculation is not particularly common.
"Squirting" is however yet another word appropriated by AGPs when they talk about ejaculation, which is rather more common.

Anyway, that aside, the original article is nonsense simply designed for clickbait.

“I ended up reading medical studies that were very hard to understand, looking up almost every word and then the words in those definition. It’s not okay that it’s that hard to access reliable information.”

There's a whole other language of medical terms for everything from the anatomy of an individual cell to different cell types to all the parts of a human body. Please don't reduce female anatomy to a handful of childish words. It's really not helpful to a woman with a gynaecological disorder or a female specific cancer or in pregnancy and childbirth.
If every word needs looking up then look them up and learn them.

I've found undercarriage quite useful when talking generally about 'nethers' or down below.

As for the concept of lumping together under one term, nearly all internal and external organs from the waist downwards.
Ridiculous 🙄

Oh. How about Haslet?

@Lordfrontpaw

What does Ms stand for ?

Male Shauvinism?

Many people with pussies are not women, and many women do not have pussies. As bad as the information out there is for cis women, it is way worse for trans, non-binary, and intersex people

Right now simply no website, museum project, theatrical monologue, article or anything at all centering the vagina can exist at all without throwing this sort of stuff in.

But kudos to them actually, I looked through the website and it looks like they really are trying to centre women, they do actually refer to women regularly and first and foremost.
They do however needs to continually jump through hoops in order to do so.

It's not a total shit show like the vagina museum type stuff that doesn't even mention the word woman once.

I'd rather not slag off this project anymore.

it is way worse for trans, non-binary, and intersex people

I'd agree with the last one on that list.

Trans people aren't actually disadvantaged compared to others of their sex in this regard though, unless they're looking at diagrams of the opposite sex's reproductive system and wondering why their own reproductive paraphernalia isn't shown.

And if there are any non-binary-identified people out there who literally cannot work out which sex's reproductive system they need to be researching to learn about their own body, I will purchase a hat for the sole purpose of eating it.

You know what else makes it difficult for women with intersex conditions to get the information they need to understand themselves and their bodies? This constant conflation with gender identity bollocks. They have enough of a job as it is getting their heads around where they fit in a society that a) views motherhood&fuckability as the ultimate in femininity while b) conflating femininity with being a woman, without a bunch of developmentally-typical sexist dickheads crashing in and redefining terms willy-nilly while pretending the basis of intersex people's issue doesn't actually exist.

Adding information about intersex conditions to the information available to everyone, and especially to young people, would be helpful. But the people spouting TRA verbiage never want to do that, what they want to do is hide or remove information relevant to women.

“Gender and organ inclusive” is a giveaway. Why do women go along with this shit? The original intention may well have been good, but this will mainly attract male obsessives. Very bad news if it includes any way for them to contact inexperienced women genuinely trying to educate themselves.