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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Disagreements about feminism.

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californian6 · 26/05/2020 13:04

I realise that I'm probably going to be shot down for this but here we go.

I have been having some disagreements with a semi close friend about trans issues recently.
For context I grew up in West Hollywood which is the lgbtq epicentre of LA so grew up around queer and trans people all of my life while also being a bisexual woman.

Recently my friend has come up with some pretty transphobic opinions about gender and when I lightly confronted her about them she just said It was her form of feminism. Am I in the wrong for being offended or am I right?

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FloralBunting · 26/05/2020 13:07

What were her ideas about gender?

OvaHere · 26/05/2020 13:10

Depends what was said?

Is this a genuine thread or one of those set up for the purpose of collecting screenshots?

FloralBunting · 26/05/2020 13:20

Well, if anyone is desperate for a screenshot of me explaining the feminist perspective on gender again, I'm game, but it would be helpful to know what opinions the OP's friend has expressed, and perhaps why they are deemed transphobic, before typing too much.

WendyHoused · 26/05/2020 13:22

Given that the only other posts under this username are defending drag around children and defending the porn industry, I'm not expecting anything except fishing for screenshots.

Winesalot · 26/05/2020 13:23

Perhaps it would help if you were to tell us what you consider is transphobic?

FloralBunting · 26/05/2020 13:29

Crikey, wims, if this is a fishing expedition, we are slim pickings in terms of angry bile in response.🤣

Cascade220 · 26/05/2020 13:33

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DrDavidBanner · 26/05/2020 13:39

Well if you feel hurt or offended then that's your right, you don't have to ask the permission of others. Did you discuss it with her? What was her response?

As a woman you know fair well that we are all individuals with our own thoughts, feelings and perspectives. You know her better than we do.

PrimalLass · 26/05/2020 13:40

Fishing.

You can read through the other threads to get opinions.

WendyHoused · 26/05/2020 13:49

Also, OP, if you're offended, you're probably wrong.
Other women's feminism isn't something to be 'offended' by. Agree, disagree, or talk it out. Taking the hump is childish.

Bluebooby · 26/05/2020 13:54

You can be offended about anything you like. You are entitled to your own feelings.

Institutkarite · 26/05/2020 14:01

I don't understand why you think you'll be shot down when you haven't said anything.
As pp have said you can be offended about anything and everything.

Thelnebriati · 26/05/2020 14:08

Instead of ''confronting her'' as if you are right and she is wrong, ask her to explain her reasons for her views, and have a discussion about it like an adult.

NotTerfNorCis · 26/05/2020 14:33

Hi californian6 welcome to the feminism board! I'd be up for a debate on gender if you're still around. :)

Firstly, what did you friend say that was 'transphobic about gender'?

teawamutu · 26/05/2020 14:42

Instead of ''confronting her'' as if you are right and she is wrong, ask her to explain her reasons for her views, and have a discussion about it like an adult.

This.

Have you got the screenshots you wanted yet?

Alonelonelyloner · 26/05/2020 14:49

Don't be offended. Or do. That's your call. You are both entitled to your viewpoint.
Feminism is about celebrating women's voices, NOT silencing them.

InfiniteSheldon · 26/05/2020 14:51

Are you a woman or a transwoman?

NekoShiro · 26/05/2020 14:57

I feel like Feminism is like squash, there's tonnes of different flavours and people have their preferred strength, I don't think feminism works as a broad term anymore.

It's like old men in America telling women they can't have abortions because they don't agree with it, there's women who have never/barely had to questioned their sense of self in their lives telling other people how they're life experiences are wrong and an offense to them. Just tell you're friend what offended you and why, after that conversation it's up to you to decide if they've crossed a line you don't like, you create your boundaries.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 26/05/2020 15:28

What did she say OP?

FloralBunting · 26/05/2020 15:29

No return yet from the OP?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 26/05/2020 17:04

Oh what a surprise...

CuriousaboutSamphire · 26/05/2020 17:37

I'm going to lightly confront OP

COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT SHE SAID!!!¡¡!!!

ScreamingBeans · 26/05/2020 18:36

I don't think you're in the wrong for being offended. Everyone's allowed to be offended, but what do you want your friend to do about it? Your offence is your business. No one else is responsible for how you deal with your offence.

Is your friend nice in other ways? Does she listen carefully to your views and show you respect and affection? Do you have fun with her? Do you enjoy being with her? Can you cope with the idea that your friends might have different views on some subjects than those you espouse?

How old are you, you sound about 14, so I think it's unfair of other posters to tell you to discuss things with your friend like an adult.

SonEtLumiere · 26/05/2020 19:04

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Barracker · 26/05/2020 19:07

How certain are you that you actually understood her opinions? You don't seem able to articulate them at all, so I'm not sure how you expect strangers to validate you as 'in the right'.

Also, do you mean sex, or do you mean gender?

If you aren't aware of the difference you're probably in the wrong.

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