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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender-critical 'cult'

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BatShite · 24/05/2020 00:37

I apologize if this has already been posted, I did have a quick look but I really need sleep soon and wanted to rant somewhat beforehand. I have just read this penisnews article and am actually angry at it..usually I can laugh the bullshit off but this on has really got under my skin. Mainly I think, as everything 'the gender critical cult' is accused of, is what TRAs actually do. Honestly, this post might be pointless as its really just a bit ranty so feel free to remove mods if you see fit.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/05/17/terf-gender-critical-feminism-movement-lesbian-cult-amy-dyess-transphobia/

Some 'lesbian leader' groomed this woman apparently, then turned ot to be homophobic herself, or thats how it reads. A lot of accusations about GC people gaslighting lesbians, not letting lesbians speak, etc etc..however, and I might be wrong here so feel free to correct me..a huge part of the GC 'movement' is actually made up of lesbians, as they were on the frontline so to speak whe the attacking started. And to this day they do tend to get much more abuse than others too from the many narcistic males involved in this, or from what I have seen that is the case.

The whole thing reads to me like another 'I was gender critical until one of the any thousands of feminists said something I diagareed with and now I hold nothing but TRA views!!!' type posts we get here. I know I should ignore pink 'news', and I normally do, or find the bias slightly amusing, but this one has really badly got under my skin. the accusations of GC women gaslighting lesbians, along with the attempt to make out that GC people are homophopic (only a slight toe dip needed into the topic to find out the truth about who is homophobic here..) and of course the usual 'they hate trans people and are supported by the Christian right!' stuff too. Just ugh. Who are they trying to kid these days? I swear not that long ago a lot of my friendcs seemed to respect PN and their focus on things to do with homophobia and such. Now they seem to see them as a joke, or even actively homophobic (which I cannot deny, many of their articles are). Hell, I only read this as it was sent to me by my sister, who is a lesbian, with a LOT of ranting. She seems more pissed off than me with it to be fair, I can see why too. But my god, talk about reverseing the truth, so blatantly too.

Sorry if this is pointless. It maybe is. But I am sick of this nonsense. Along with the attempts to make out 'gender-critical' is a dwindling movement, with only a few supporters. Of course, all nasty transphobes who hate all trans people with a passion and are also hiding hmophobia just below the surface and support abusive women, because we hate all men, and women abuse too dontchyaknow? (on that note, I have yet to see any feminist, ever claim that no women are abusive. Just saying men are more abusive seems to set a lot of people off on 'man hater' 'I have been assaulted by 200 different women, not one man' and such posts.) Same shit, different day. I kind of wish we could go back to when pinknews was a bit more respected, its a shame the road they chose to go down, to turn on the people they apparently support. Like Stonewall.

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She believed, like many people in the “gender critical” feminist movement do, that the lesbian community to which she belonged was under attack from trans-rights activists.

She believed that lesbian identity itself was being infringed on and erased by trans women, and that the media didn’t care – more than that, she believed that the media was being controlled by trans people.

She believed that she was part of the fight back against trans-rights activists – part of the fight back against homophobia.

Amy, who is based in Seattle, doesn’t believe those things any more. Looking back on her time in the “gender critical” feminist movement, she is unequivocal: it’s a cult.

A cult that groomed her when she was vulnerable and sleeping in her car; a cult that sought to control her, keeping tabs on her movements and dictating what she could and couldn’t say; a cult that was emotionally and sexually abusive towards her.

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I cannot really get my head round, at all, claiming to 'support' a 'movement' just because you have been told they are one thing, though you have never seen any evidence of that, infact have seen the opposite happening but because people tell you lesbians are being silenced, you stay with this apparently abusive group because they tell you they are right? Or something? Such a thought process makes no sense to me at all. If I see evidence that something is not what it claims to be, thats it, regardless of aything else? Maybe thats just me though..its hard to try and think like someone else!

One British lesbian even promised to find Amy a wife, so she could stay in the UK and galvanise the struggling gender-critical movement here.

This is weird..but interesting if it happened. Though quite why this Amy was apparently the saviour of the entire movememt, so much so that it appears she was begged to stay and 'front' it (despite me never having heard of her?) I don't know.

Finally, I do not understand, at all, how someone can go from apparently writing the linked medium article, clearly understanding the silencing of lesbians, the abusiveness towards them and so forth, and suddenly decide that that was all lies, despite there being actual evidence..much of it..of TRAs acting exactly that way on the article?! And to also decide that actually, its other lesbians and GC women who are the problem, and TRAs are just misuderstood, the real homophobia is from those saying lesbians should not be pressured into sex with male people. Bizarre.

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RuffleCrow · 25/05/2020 15:26

That's just Darvo. We'll just counter it with common sense and logic as usual.

SetYourselfOnFire · 25/05/2020 15:29

Pink News needs to be blacklisted. It's gone beyond biased, they manufacture fake stories whole-cloth to slander real people. It makes the Daily Mail look like Pulitzer Prize-winning journalism.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 25/05/2020 20:59

Nothing says "I am a reasonable person who doesn't hate women at all" like suggesting spitting on women who've said things you don't like.

TehBewilderness · 25/05/2020 21:24

Televangelist Pat Robertson said the feminist agenda encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, and become lesbians."

OneEpisode · 26/05/2020 00:31

Pat Robertson, teh 90 year old man still alive in 2020 despite predicting teh world would end in the 1980s?

Thinkingabout1t · 26/05/2020 07:05

I think she is very very brave. Nobody crosses the muffia...
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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 26/05/2020 07:05

It's a big pile of DARVO really. Same as everything.

The trans movement gets criticised for something and then turns it around and shouts that gender critical feminism is the one doing it. It's all very middle school.

It's also interesting that just in the last few days I've been seeing TRAs posting about all these ex-GC women suddenly coming out and leaving the cult. It's seems to be quite a topic of conversation.

However as far as I can tell, the only source of the GC cult story is the Pink News article with the one person claiming it.

While I recognise that the person who is making these claims is causing a lot of hurt, it's also very clear that she isn't well and I really don't want to cause a pile on to someone who seems to be struggling. I hope that she gets the support she needs but tbh I think the best thing to do is just ignore her.

AnyOldPrion · 26/05/2020 07:41

Snopes lost any credibility for me due to their stance on gender critical women:

www.snopes.com/fact-check/jk-rowling-transphobia-transgender/

Odd how many of these sites that put themselves forward as bastions of truthfulness in a complex world have fallen for the lie that men can be women and should be given women’s rights, and that any woman who questions this is a terrible transphobe.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 26/05/2020 07:43

If you look at the last 5 years or so of TRA claims and demands pretty much every new "theory" has been a response to the attempts of other people to call them out on their bullshit or set a boundary. So "well our sex is male but our gender is female", when countered by "yeah well lesbians are same sex attracted and sex segregated spaces are segregated by sex" became "well then sex is a spectrum", and so on. A year or two ago many women started pointing out the cult-like nature of a lot of beliefs about gender identity, and so now we have "no you're the real cult!". Once you see the pattern you really can't miss it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 12:12

Dr Em has written an excellent article about these tactics:

Dr Em: Forced Teaming, Feminism, LGB and ‘Trans Rights’ www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3919794-dr-em-forced-teaming-feminism-lgb-and-trans-rights

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2020 12:13

Odd how many of these sites that put themselves forward as bastions of truthfulness in a complex world have fallen for the lie that men can be women and should be given women’s rights, and that any woman who questions this is a terrible transphobe.

Yes, I'm truly embarrassed for any science loving "skeptics" who support the ideological framework of gendered souls.

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