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Triggernometry tonight - PornHub.

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OrangeLang · 21/05/2020 20:53

Evening. A staunch fan of both (I've yet to watch the Douglas Murray interview from last night which I'm really looking forward to!). I support them on a monthly basis.
Their daily podcasts are fun, light-hearted yet intelligent banter. Yet tonight they invoked my first ever "I'm offended" reaction. If I recall correctly they got on to the subject of PornHub and suggested that they should post there, as their podcasts would be unlikely to be deleted. Am I being OTT. I'm a free speech advocate but having read about Missing girls being recognised from violent pornhub videos I'm also so incensed.

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OrangeLang · 21/05/2020 20:55

I am also 2 large G&Ts in after a very shit day working so likely to ramble incoherently..

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OvaHere · 21/05/2020 21:21

They can do what they please but if they start supporting and providing revenue for TraffickingHub that's the end of the line for me.

Although not having heard the context of the conversation it may just be edgy humour and they have no real intention of doing this.

Gncq · 21/05/2020 22:41

They were probably joking?

If not, simply, yuk. If those two Bros think supporting pornhub is in any way acceptable, they're off my Christmas card list.

TheChampagneGalop · 21/05/2020 22:46

Men joking happily about Rapehub while it profits from child rape videos turns my stomach.

OhHolyJesus · 21/05/2020 22:46

I'm a fan, not a huge one, but listened to past interviews with Douglas Murray, Rose of Dawn and Posie Parker and enjoyed them.

They are very tongue in cheek but have said things that are either close to the wire or are straighten up misogynistic but said with humour that it almost disguises it. Almost. At times what I thought they were serious about was clearly a joke later so it's hard to tell.

Konstantin engaged on MN when their YT was temporarily shut down so maybe he can come clarify here what the position is on PH.

Anyone remember his @ to tag him?

TheChampagneGalop · 21/05/2020 22:49

Yes actual child rape. twitter.com/AvriSapir/status/1244379836925333505

OrangeLang · 21/05/2020 23:53

They were joking, it was very tongue in cheek. They obvs know that 'anything goes' on PornHub and I suspect having to edit their Glinner interview they're smarting. But it angered me so, so much of that porn is rape - that site is not to be laughed about.
@Triggerpod I think was the username.

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Triggerpod · 22/05/2020 00:12

Hey, it was a joke. We have absolutely no intention of posting our content on a porn site lol.Hmm

Triggerpod · 22/05/2020 00:15

I should add also:

  1. thank you for supporting the show
  2. neither of us was aware of pornhub posting that sort of "content". Needless to say that's horrific and we obviously don't support it
Goosefoot · 22/05/2020 00:47

As a pointed joke it only works because PH is awful - the idea being that a discussion of important ideas is difficult to put on the internet on a mainstream host like Youtube while gross stuff like Pornhub is available everywhere. So maybe the discussions of ideas should go on Pornhub if you want people to get a chance to see them.

I don't know, to say is is offensive seems a bit like when people complain that All in the Family was a racist show.

OrangeLang · 22/05/2020 07:27

I wouldn't say All In The Family is a racist show.

But that is also a horrible analogy.

PornHub is a convenient way for sex traffickers to make more money and push violent rape in to the mainstream. There is no comparison between a dated sitcom and a mother whose daughter has been missing for years seeing her for the first time bounded, gagged, being strangled and raped and then being powerless to find her.

I'm not talking about 'consenting adult porn' (whatever your thoughts are on that) but the rape of children!

www.reuters.com/article/britain-women-trafficking/update-1-porn-sites-free-service-during-coronavirus-raises-sex-trafficking-fears-idUSL8N2BK415

fightthenewdrug.org/pornhub-reportedly-profits-from-nonconsensual-videos/

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/09/worlds-biggest-porn-site-under-fire-over-videos-pornhub

@Triggerpod Appreciate that you might have assumed pornhub to be a fairly benign porn site. Curious though - how would you deal with issues like the above? My God if you could get the CEO of MindGeek oh that'd be a coop

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OrangeLang · 22/05/2020 07:34

Goosefoot I get your point though. But where does the line between slightly dark comedy which makes a valid point, and this example drawn? At what point does it become 'actually fuck this, this isn't funny because actually this situation is getting worse and no one is listening'

Hmmm maybe it does need a strong dose of sunlight from KK after all..

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OhHolyJesus · 22/05/2020 08:50

There was a great video of a sort of for/against porn by Cambridge Uni recently.

Perhaps you could invite Jo Bartosch, Director of Click-Off on to discuss it on Triggernomerty @Triggerpod ?

Jo gave some great stats in the effects of porn, there is also a Men Against Porn group.

I hear there is now Covid Porn (which follows Chemo porn) so that could make it topical if you need a hook.

As porn can result in erectile dysfunction you could be doing a great service to men in your audience by discussing the effects.

Triggerpod · 22/05/2020 09:12

We actually interviewed Meghan Murphy a couple of days ago and spent a fair chunk of the interview talking about porn. It's out in Sunday.

OrangeLang · 22/05/2020 09:13

Oh, I had not heard CovidPorn, I do not think I can stomach anymore!

On RedTube the most watched vids at the moment are of the 'creep in to your 'step'-sister's bedroom and rape her while she is sleeping' variety. 'Coronavirus Lockdown Porn'. 🤢

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OrangeLang · 22/05/2020 09:15

@Triggerpod We will watch! All of this needs far more sunlight. Thanks.

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OrangeLang · 22/05/2020 09:17

"As porn can result in erectile dysfunction you could be doing a great service to men in your audience by discussing the effects."

Ha!

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Quillink · 22/05/2020 09:33

Thanks for clarifying, @Triggerpod. I remember you saying that you draw the free speech line at people who are violent. In the literal not hurt feelings sense.
I'm not surprised that you don't support crime posted on Pornhub.

Looking forward to Meghan Murphy.

Cuntysnark · 22/05/2020 09:38

I’m looking forward to that one! Great guests, keep them coming. How about Baroness Nicholson... she’s been on quite a journey this past week or so.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 22/05/2020 09:40

That is interesting actually. Given that Pornhub publishes violent images (without knowing whether the violence is “consensual”or not), does that mean that Triggernometry would not interview it’s CEO?

OhHolyJesus · 22/05/2020 09:41

Ooooh Megan Murphy. Good choice. Will be watching.

Goosefoot · 22/05/2020 13:53

I get your point though. But where does the line between slightly dark comedy which makes a valid point, and this example drawn? At what point does it become 'actually fuck this, this isn't funny because actually this situation is getting worse and no one is listening'

I don't know that I do. But certainly not at this instance. Humour IMO can be very dark indeed provided it says something that is true and absurd, and this fits the bill pretty well.

Would it have been wrong for one of the guys to say "Gee, isn't it ironic that when we talk about controversial issues we get dropped from Youtube but PH with all it's terrible elements is one of the most popular websites in the whole world and liberals try and defend it as free speech?"

But the joke says the same thing in a way that makes the contrast more visceral - that's the function of social commentary humour. It doesn't explain the absurdity, it creates a situation where you see it, suddenly, for yourself.

That doesn't mean everyone has to find it funny. Some people just don't like dark humour and that's fine. I come from a medical family and my background is military, both groups which tend to have a very macabre approach to humour. I don't much like slapstick OTOH< it bores me to tears.

But there is a huge difference between not enjoying a certain type of humour and saying that it is offensive. I think that you are mistaking the discomfort implicit in the joke for minimising the seriousness of the content.

Tachograph · 22/05/2020 14:58

I think it's a bit like how a lot of items on EBay are stolen goods. It's extremely hard for the operators to monitor/verify everything that is uploaded.

Of course Ebay is obviously more a benign concept in the first place, but I'm sure that the PH videos in question probably break the content guidelines. It's hard to see a solution as shutting down PH is a near impossibility. A business worth almost £3bn will surely have an army of lawyers.

OrangeLang · 22/05/2020 18:31

Goosefoot "

But there is a huge difference between not enjoying a certain type of humour and saying that it is offensive. I think that you are mistaking the discomfort implicit in the joke for minimising the seriousness of the content."

You are right - finding something offensive implies that it's offended me personally as opposed to something being wrong.
I'm a Navy brat brought up in 6 countries and have worked as a shit-shoveller in Aussie out-back mines. So I'm not easily offended and pretty thick-skinned. I can laugh off a lot but the whole porn industry is bloody getting me down. My DD was shown hardcore porn at her friend's 9 year old birthday party several years ago, which fucked her up for a good 12 months so I think it's a v sore point for me and nothing about this is funny.

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Goosefoot · 22/05/2020 18:40

It's frustrating because people just don't see it. And because the effects are so serious. So many seem to have just a very short memory, they think it's always been like this, it's as if they don't see the changes over time.

In some ways I think the extreme awfulness might be what changes it though. People are going to start waking up to the effects. There may be a real backlash.

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