New Opt Out Organ Donation System comes into effect today

[Al1Langdownthecleghole]

I've just gone on to register my wishes, (link below if anyone else wants to do likewise).

I was concerned that under the new regulations requiring you to opt-out of becoming a transplant donor, it would not be possible to specifically opt-out of donating my reproductive organs.

In fact, if you opt to only donate some of your organs and select the ones you are happy to be used, reproductive organs are not listed as a choice, although "tissue" is, and I do wonder how widely tissue could be interpreted.

For now, I am choosing to opt-out of donating tissue, but would be willing to donate the other organs specifically listed.

Sadly, there is the inevitable question about gender. Even when talking about cadaver transplants, it would seem gender trumps biology.

www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-your-decision/register-your-details/?

If somebody is kind enough to donate their dong, it should go to whoever is in need of a dong, regardless of their previous dong toting status, as well as religion, race, etc etc.

Let's just all read this comment carefully. Let it sink in (penetrate, lol.)

ProfessorSlocmbe wants to have a system where a penis can be taken from male and transplanted onto a female. The future is truly going to be nightmarish.

I'd love to see an outreach effort to inform the public of this change (to be clear, I'd prefer that the change wasn't happening at all, but if it is then the public have a right to know), and for major policy changes to be put off until after the public is distracted by Covid in general, but how likely do we think that is to actually happen?

ProfessorSlocmbe wants to have a system where a penis can be taken from male and transplanted onto a female.

The sudden shift to talking about race and religion was rather odd too. Sleight of hand I suppose.

I'm not following or I'm very tired,

If somebody is kind enough to donate their dong, it should go to whoever is in need of a dong, regardless of their previous dong toting status, as well as religion, race, etc etc

Why are "dongs" even mentioned? Far as I know they cant be transplanted, and indeed why would they be. The Male and female bodies are different and neither could sustain the opposite sex' reproductive parts.

I'm missing a huge joke somewhere?

ProfessorSlocmbe wants to have a system where a penis can be taken from male and transplanted onto a female. The future is truly going to be nightmarish.

No I don't. But a system where people read and inwardly digest before putting words into other peoples mouths might be nice.

I did read it, Professor. Those were your words. Please explain if you have a different gloss.

People have (or chose to have, the difference is immaterial) short memories.

I am of an age and waist size that I can recall the near universal disgust in reaction to a story where a donor tried to stipulate that his organs only went to white folk. It was well over 10 years ago. I'll dig up a cite when I can. Unless anyone else also remembers ?

In any case, I am not happy that the State have decided to take ownership of my internal organs and I am going to opt-out.

No-one on this website has ever suggested that they wanted to restrict organs from going to people of other ethnicities. I have never seen that. Please provide evidence of your claim. Women here are concerned that reproductive tissues will be removed and used for experimentation including transplanting wombs and vaginas into men or stimulating ovaries into producing eggs that can be used for surrogacy.

No-one on this website has ever suggested that they wanted to restrict organs from going to people of other ethnicities.

sigh

I never said they did. I was referring to a story well over a decade ago that ignited quite a fierce debate

I have never seen that. Please provide evidence of your claim.

Since I have already said I would when I could, I find your badgering rude in the extreme. And yes, there is a subtext.

www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/jul/07/race.world

Sorry but in 1999 I was busy and dont remember this at all or vaguely as a footnote

I think the point is that if society as a whole accepts that gender transition is a thing, wanting to control who gets your reproductive organs would would been seen similarly to wanting to control who gets your other body parts. It would not be considered socially acceptable to say you are going to differentiate.

I believe that this sort of policy shift would definitely justify a letter to every household

At the very least, yes.

I think the idea that more information is for some reason undesirable, and instead the state have just decided they'll decide for us, is what I have the most issue with. If the end goal is to increase transplants, then have a concerted campaign and encourage people to sign up.

And yes, fwiw, I wouldn't want anyone having my eggs/ovaries, whatever their sex.

@Bananabixfloof

Many thanks for that.

Moving on, given that it's entirely possible that under the new system, an organ might be taken from someone who had opted out, but the system "wasn't accurate", what mechanisms are in place to deal with (literally) mis-taken organs ?

It would not be considered socially acceptable to say you are going to differentiate

Maybe it should be made clearer what you can opt out of. Whst does tissue mean in this instance? What tests are done?

I'm really bloody tired so I cant think of more questions but others will I'm sure.

This thread really is the worst of Mumsnet.

There is no opt out for reproductive tissues on the website BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE OPT-OUT SYSTEM. You will still have to give express consent to donate them.

Nine pages of frothing that could have been completely avoided if anyone had bothered to check the facts.

You seem to have read the frothing and failed to notice the quite clearly laid out arguments.

Mine, for example, is not against reproductive tissue per se, but the presumption of organ donation.

HTH. Do feel free to come back and tell us off again if you feel the need, though.

There is no opt out for reproductive tissues on the website BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE OPT-OUT SYSTEM. You will still have to give express consent to donate them

Ive opted out because the presumption that my body is up for grabs for someone else's benefit fucking irks me.
Its supposed to be a gift, presumed consent takes away my option to gift my body parts.
it's a hop away from pretty much everything being banned because bad for you and your body that will be used as spare parts sooner or later.

Since I have already said I would when I could, I find your badgering rude in the extreme. And yes, there is a subtext.

Rude in the extreme? I see. I believe we cross-posted. I'm still not sure how I was supposed to read your initial comment If somebody is kind enough to donate their dong, it should go to whoever is in need of a dong, regardless of their previous dong toting status, as well as religion, race, etc etc and from that extrapolate that actually you meant someone donating a kidney to an ethnic minority.

But I am being rude, again. So sorry.

PrimeroseHillAnnie

Whats the issue with reproductive organs, some sort of Frankenstein transgender thing ?

I can't speak for others but my objection has nothing to do with transgender rights although I do find some aspects of assisted conception and fertility treatment bordering on Frankenstein- but that applies to xx female recipients.

I strongly oppose assisted fertility/assisted conception and always have done. I'm not religious at all- it just seems the ultimate in "me , me,me "gimme, gimme" leading to the nightmare scenario we have now of up to 1,000 unclaimed products languishing in Romania.

There is no opt out for reproductive tissues on the website BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE OPT-OUT SYSTEM. You will still have to give express consent to donate them.

A few posters might have been confused about this, but I think mainly people are concerned about the legal implications of the opt out system as a whole, especially down the line.It's not difficult to imagine even that reproductive tissues could later be included if that kind of procedure is seen as basic medicine everyone has a right to.

Hmm, meant to say that it is easy to imagine - not difficult.

Its supposed to be a gift, presumed consent takes away my option to gift my body parts.

I can understand why people refuse donation on the basis of religion or personal feelings about the fate of their body after death but I've never been able to understand this notion.

You'd rather risk someone dying without a heart transplant to avoid the extremely unlikely event of somebody born male being given reproductive organs.

Yes. It's sad. But there's no way I'm donating my reproductive organs to anyone. Even if it's just a tiny chance. No way. So if someone loses out on a heart transplant because of that then so be it. An clear option to completely opt out of donating reproduction organs would solve the problem 🤷‍♀️

I can understand why people refuse donation on the basis of religion or personal feelings about the fate of their body after death but I've never been able to understand this notion
Well it comes under personal feelings
Hth