Teenage boy charged in Canada's first 'incel' terror case

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A 17 year old boy has been charged with carrying out an incel inspired terror attack in Canada. A woman working in an 'erotic spa' was fatally stabbed and two other people were injured:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52733060

I can't think of another example where a crime such as this has been classed as terrorism but incel groups do share similarities to other types of terrorist. Am also sad that a 17 year old can identify as involuntarily celibate.

Oh my god. How awful. 17yo and an involuntary celibate. What the actual fuck.

"involuntarily celibate" does sound sad, but when I first heard the term I read a lot of incel posts and they are terrifying in the depths of their hatred. I'm not surprised it led to violence and will again I'm sure.

We need to treat the ones spreading their message as we would anyone recruiting for a cult (or a terror cell), but we also need to look at what we are teaching young people if that is how they see life. They all seem to get their ideas about human relationships from porn.

Surely at 17 he's not an incel he's just a virgin, as many people still are. Ridiculous.

Grooming surely? He's a child.

It's the fact that they're a virgin that makes them mad, women won't even touch them or give them affection so they hate them, it gets twisted in their heads, if they actually looked after themselves and worked on their personality they'd find it so much easier to get some love and compassion but also would be able to see that sex isn't the be all and end all.

His age is key in this I think. Legally a child and a likely virgin.

He's probably spent too much time on the internet, became a misogynist and now a murderer.

I think he is still responsible for his actions but his defence lawyers will probably focus on his age and vulnerability.

I'm not sure it's terrorism, or at least it's not your classic example.

If hate crime included misogyny and he is violent does this get recorded as a hate-based murder? Is terrorism the next word we change the meaning of?

That poor woman and her family.

Absolutely awful.

Yes he's a child who has been groomed by the incel ideology, its proponents and their online spaces into viewing women as the source of all these men's problems and therefore worthy of death.

Hatred of feminism and women to the point of wanting to kill them is not new, but with the internet, it's easier for such types of men to find each other and encourage one another in their blind hatred. They never direct their vitriol towards the 'Chads'; it's women they despise the most and target.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre

The US has also identified male supremacist ideology (aka incels) as one of their newest terror threats. These men plot together about ways to put women back in their place. Prior to this case there have been multiple mass shootings targeting women (Elliot Roger's practically being the incel patron saint), a man in Toronto drove through crowds of people killing 10 people inspired by incel ideology and now a mass stabbing.

Part of this is the "incel" movement weaponizing the fact that young people tend to assume that everyone else is having a lot more sex than they actually are. Most 17 year olds are not living the lifestyle that "incels" think they've been unfairly denied. Most never will either, but seriously, being a virgin at 17 is not exactly out of the ordinary.

If we're going to have hate crimes as a category then I think stuff like this has to count though, since the incel movement is absolutely build on hating women and was a contributor to this crime.

I think it also fits into the terror category because of the way that they recruit, groom, indoctrinate and organise. There are manifestos that say that since incels can never have what they deserve (essentially sex with models) that they should try to take out as many women as possible in punishment to support and inspire other incels.

I absolutely blame the fucking internet. I love so many of you and would be sad if the whole thing disappeared from that perspective, but SO much of this seething evil is germinated and nurtured on the internet I would be content for all the servers in the world to suffer a catastrophe and burn the whole bloody thing down.

Well he won't stay a virgin long in chokey will he? No I'm not sorry, a child has to grow up without their mother because of him, disgusting selfish bastard.

Ashley Noell Arzaga was 24. She had a five-year-old daughter. Such a horrible crime.

I am thinking of Ashley Noell Arzaga, and her daughter. Sending love to her, and I hope she is surrounded by loving family.

These men plot together about ways to put women back in their place

they recruit, groom, indoctrinate and
organise

No different to the other Male sex rights movement we are currently fighting then.

Yes, the internet is vial and it's responsible for a lot of these ideas getting to men and young men.

I have real issues with the way the word terrorism has been changed, however. It has a technical definition that is specific and useful, it applies to acts by non-military groups against citizens in order to pressure governments in a particular way.

Most of what has been called terrorism over the past 25 years isn't, an it's not an organic change, the language has been purposefully manipulated, initially by the Americans in the aftermath of 9/11 when they went into Afghanistan. The goal was partly to create more sympathy with the public, but mainly because the international rules for dealing with terrorists are totally different than those for dealing with enemy combatants - Guantánamo Bay would have been totally illegal if the prisoners were POWs.

So no - this was not terrorism, because it had no real political goal.

The internet is vile obviously, not vial!

What about this incel's parents? What is their responsibility in this? How do you have a child like this and not do anything about it? Surely there must be signs your child is abnormal and dangerous?