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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Two OL news articles today, that made me feel quite sad for the transgender people featured

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JellySlice · 18/05/2020 17:52

An article about a father (no mention of the mother) supporting his adult child’s transition, in a country where transgenderism is more acceptable than homosexuality. But it’s ok because they are transitioning to the higher status gender - it would have been different had it been a son transitioning to the lower status gender.

The other article was about a transwoman living in a South American country where, due to lockdown, men and women are allowed out on different days. When is this person to shop? They tried going on the women’s day, and were very gently rejected. So they tried going on the men’s day and were mocked, assaulted and rejected.

In both cases very sad that a person‘s self-image can be so broken that it damages their ability to function in society, and they have to damage themselves to gain even a pretence of functioning.

Abundantly clear, as ever, that men reject gender-non-conforming men.

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thirdfiddle · 18/05/2020 19:16

I saw the second one and thought - yep, male violence again.

The young person's story was tragic altogether - brought up with violent father figure, taunted for not conforming to male stereotypes by fellow males at school, went into prostitution as a child to try to support family (in the biog it almost sounded like they crystallised trans as an identity because of the demand for trans prostitutes, it's horrific), badly treated by police because of feminine dress or prostitution or both. No wonder the poor thing doesn't identify with masculinity. So very very sad.

Male/female going out days dubious as a concept but if you're going to do that it has to be sex not gender; as they keep drumming into us, gender is a spectrum not a binary.

AsTreesWalking · 18/05/2020 19:43

I felt so sorry for the person in South America - what are they supposed to do? It sounded as if they had to hold the family together single handed.

Gncq · 18/05/2020 20:13

Which is why trans rights activism should be and always should have been about finding space for transpeople to live in society in a way that isn't centred around the demand that everyone pretends Humans can change sex.

JellySlice · 19/05/2020 08:28

Gncq, 100%.

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OhHolyJesus · 19/05/2020 08:46

For the person who was assaulted, I don't understand why if they have identity cards they wouldn't go out to the shops on the day it says in their card.

I don't think the police should have touched that person but the police there are probably a law unto themselves.

The young homeless man with the homophobic parents is a tragic story, and this is what Stonewall should be focusing on and again we see the BBC putting the G or the L with the T.

I noticed the story at the bottom about Chile's camionas (butch lesbians) being murdered.

Did the BBC ever interview, or approach for an interview, the 'influencer' Sofia Toloni who outed gay men which led to abuse and harassment of gay men in Morocco?

JellySlice · 19/05/2020 09:48

For the person who was assaulted, I don't understand why if they have identity cards they wouldn't go out to the shops on the day it says in their card.

They tried, but they were not accepted either way. Reality bites.

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