"Where We Went Wrong," by the Lib-Dems

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Previously net-positive ratings for Jo fell during the campaign. There was clearly a lot of misogyny and sexism at play, and Jo’s appeal to women also fell significantly during the election.

For any leader to be successful takes time; to build awareness, to form relationships, to understand the role and learn from early mistakes. However for Jo that time simply did not exist and – while sex is of course no barrier to being able to do the job successfully – there is a growing body of research on the challenges of being a female political leader which imply that time for preparation is even more valuable. Time not just for themselves and their party, but also for people to ‘get’ someone different from the ‘norm.’

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Plenty of frank and devastating self-criticism, but one or two blind-spots, including Rosy Cobb who seems to get off scot-free. Bad relations with the media? Why would that be?

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From my little bubble, it was mainly that Jo Swinson was crap.

Also, there was still a lot of people enforcing their principles over the coalition sell out - tuition fees in particular.

That's the problem with the Liberals (LibDems) - they're probably the most principled voters in the pack.

Yeah, I guess a lot of voters feel very bitter about the tuition fees scandal too.

I’m a remainer but could see that overturning the referendum without a second vote would be a disaster.

The self ID was the cherry on the cake.

To get back to the thread I do think a very serious investigation by the Lib Dems as to what went wrong is needed.

At the last election, discounting the SNP, as they are not a UK wide party, there were 3 parties- 2 of whom were utterly useless and 1 who benefitted from not being as useless as the other 2.

Remember the Lib Dems under Charlie Kennedy's leadership- where did it all go wrong?

Tbf Dido I cant remember a worse choice for the voters

Magic grandpa and a buffoon. The Lib Dems should have done do much better.

To get back to the thread I do think a very serious investigation by the Lib Dems as to what went wrong is needed.

Did we ever leave it ?

I agree that the Tories won by default. Labour and the LibDems basically defeated themselves.

I reported too, which I rarely do.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50711195

www.peaktrans.org/feminists-not-welcome-in-lib-dems-unless-they-support-gender-neutral-toilets-says-peer/

www.spectator.co.uk/article/jo-swinson-has-finally-made-the-bbc-do-its-job-on-trans-rights

This and the fact that they were craven, self serving, power hungry twats, who got into bed with the Tories and threw all their election promises away at the first sniff of power.

The LibDems - probably the most principled voters in the pack.

This is true.

This and the fact that they were craven, self serving, power hungry twats, who got into bed with the Tories and threw all their election promises away at the first sniff of power.

This is also true.

It's that insufferable combination of a morally superior high-mindedness and a willingness not so much to sell out as give their principles away as an opening offer. And in the case of the Cameron-Clegg Coalition, they couldn't even fulfil their third characteristic and jump ship at the first sign of trouble.

Bedroom Tax. Rape Rule. Bombing Lybia. They voted for it all.

I remember them seeming like a credible alternative for people who weren't fully onboard with either other party when I was in my teens. What the hell happened?

I don’t know much about Scotland, but can someone explain how the comment was offensive? Was there more to it than football?!

It's a Protestant versus Catholic sectarianism thing, rosie, as well as just being rather goady in general.

Oh right! Thanks.

Ive not been overly keen on some of the lib dems policies regarding women

And then a few lib dem supporters/mps said they didn’t want women like me voting for them so i thought I’d help them out and not Vote for them

Dh didn’t vote for them this time either, or ds1 now I think about it

So in my case it was nothing to do with the coalition or brexit

There is a bottom line for me.

I assume that (almost) everyone knows the difference between a man and a woman.

If a politician is not brave enough to acknowledge a simple truth, I am not prepared to vote for them.

My thought process would be, probably this person is lying, which is bad because although "liar" isn't an unusual quality in a politician it's not a desirable one either. If this person is not lying then this person is an idiot, which is an even less desirable quality.

So they noticed a drop in support from women for Swinson, but rather than asking about the connection between her comments about the reality of sex and her horribly patronizing policy ideas 'for women' that were skewered in the Women's Hour interview, they are going with 'women were too meeeean to Jo and didn't give her any sisterly leeway'.

Lib Dems and Labour both made it clear they didn't want my vote because I'm a woman who believes in biology rather than mystic feelings so I spoilt my ballot as I couldn't vote Tory

Both the Libs and Labour (and many people on here) adopted a morally superior, hectoring tone claiming they know best for the people. Who begged to differ, and the self id thing was the icing on the Cake. The LibDem wombat at our polling station was a self id droid.

What’s worse is their complete inability to understand and engage with the majority of the country that doesn’t agree with them.

How can these parties not see that if you tell a section of the electorate you don't want their vote then they probably won't vote for you
Ok they may have underestimated how many people that was

Ok they may have underestimated how many people that was

Absolutely

Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke

And even people who weren't in the group you told not to vote for you may see you doing that and think "well that was a dick move, not voting for you if you're going to be like that".

Lib Dems and Labour both made it clear they didn't want my vote because I'm a woman who believes in biology rather than mystic feelings so I spoilt my ballot as I couldn't vote Tory

This. I exchanged emails with the Lib Dem candidate, who admitted to being privately more on the GC side and tried to persuade me to vote LD and support change from within, while I politely refused to support any party requiring me to deny biology and basic logic. Then Jo S started blathering shite and she stopped contacting me.

Woman who doesn't believe in sex is victim of sexism - read all about it!

I take great comfort from the good sense of the electorate in rejecting the whole TWAW nonsense, and standing firm against the destruction of women’s rights.
The Lib Dems richly deserved the kicking they got at the polls, and until they recognise this and change policies, they will never be electable.
I live in Scotland and thank goodness my own seat is a marginal one, between Conservative and SNP. I would vote for almost any party to stop the damned SNP from breaking up the UK and bankrupting Scotland, but I would have had a serious ethical dilemma in supporting such misogynistic shit as the Lib Dems.