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Rochdale grooming gang victim bumps into abuser who should have been deported

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MoleSmokes · 16/05/2020 00:21

Rochdale grooming gang victim bumps into abuser who should have been deported
talkRADIO 15 May 2020

VIDEO DESCRIPTION

A victim of the infamous Rochdale grooming gang recently met her abuser face to face while shopping in ASDA. This was not part of a victim perpetrator meet in order to try and understand crimes.

Adil Khan was jailed for eight years in 2012 after being convicted of trafficking and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child, he was released in 2016. He was supposed to have been deported back to Pakistan he appealed against that and lost that appeal in 2018, but still remains in the UK.

Ian Collins speaks to former detective constable Maggie Oliver, who was the lead investigator on the Rochdale child sex abuse ring case for the Greater Manchester Police.

Maggie claims that the convictions made in the Rochdale child sex abuse ring of 9 men in early 2012 barely scratched the surface of what she describes as a "highly organised crime group that numbered hundreds of perpetrators" and countless young victims.

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Why did the CPS not prosecute child rapists for rape?

How can the Home Office manage to implement a "Hostile Environment" in which it wrongly deports members of the Windrush Generation but leaves convicted child rapists wandering the streets when the courts ordered them to be deported - and their appeals failed?

The Probation Service omits to inform the victims that their abusers are being let out on parole, and the paedophiles, who should have been deported, are allowed unsupervised access to children because their Licence Conditions of parole have expired??

Just one case like this is bad enough but Maggie Oliver reckons this is not just happening in Rochdale.

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VIDEO TRANSCRIPT

(this is long so might go over more than one post - if it does, it ends when I type END)

IAN COLLINS

Now, a victim of the infamous Rochdale grooming gang has met her abuser face-to-face. But while out shopping in Asda - this was not some kind of victim-perpetrator meet in order to try and understand crimes this should never have happened.

Adil khan was jailed for eight years in 2012 after being convicted of trafficking and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child. He was released in 2016. He was supposed to have been deported back to Pakistan. He appealed against that, and lost that appeal, in 2018 but still remains in the UK. How could this happen?

Maggie Oliver is former Greater Manchester police detective, and of course, what you might say, a Whistleblower. Also a consultant on the documentary, or the programme, the drama, that looked at this story, called "Three Girls".

Maggie nice to have you with us, hi.

MAGGIE OLIVER

Hi there Ian, thank you for having me on the show.

IAN COLLINS

Tt's a pleasure. Now, listen, this just seems beyond comprehension, that we would not only have, we'll get into how long it took to even get this case known, and and moving anywhere near a courtroom, in a moment. But how could we be in a place where someone who's guilty of the kind of crimes that I just mentioned there, he's told that after serving a prison sentence will be deported back to Pakistan but he's shopping in Asda and bumps into one of his victims. How could that even be a thing in this world?

MAGGIE OLIVER

Ian, that's a question that I ask myself time and time again. The way you've described it actually I feel under plays the magnitude of this. First of all I'd like to say that this is not a solitary example of this. This is something that I've heard several times from several victims in Rochdale. But the man that you're talking about, the paedophile Adil Khan, he was sentenced in 2012 as a result of having got this particular 13 year old child pregnant at the age of 13. I was a police officer, as you know, and the drama Three Girls covered this story, or part of the story of this particular victim.

He wasn't charged with rape even though we had a foetus, even though we had DNA to prove paternity of that foetus, despite that the CPS chose not to charge him with rape.

The result of that was that this man, and I have to say that he was convicted of sexually abusing other children but not charged with any rapes, as the result of those charges, this man was actually sentenced to eight years but he was out of prison less than four years after the trial. In the middle of 2016 he, together with two other of the abusers, both had dual nationality, and the, in sentencing it was decided that they would be extradited following their prison sentence. They came out of prison and they challenged that decision, based on their human rights that they had a family here and they should not be sent back to Pakistan. After two years and millions of pounds of taxpayers money, they lost that appeal, and that was back in 2018.

Now, a few weeks ago, the girl that this man had got pregnant when she was just 13, was shopping in Asda and she walked around the end of an aisle with her own children and came face to face with the man who got her pregnant when she was 13.

He was in unsupervised contact with another child of about 7 years old, she told me. And she fled from the store in absolute panic. She got outside the door, the firST person she rang was me, saying,"Maggie, Maggie I've just bumped into Billy! He's in Asda, he's in Rochdale."

IAN COLLINS

Billy was the name that he used wasn't it, during this time?

MAGGIE OLIVER

Yeah, his street name. Now, the questions that that raised are many.

First of all, what about the human rights of the child? She is living in Rochdale and she now has to walk around that town everyday thinking that she might bump into this man.

The second thing is that, because this man wasn't charged with rape, he was out of prison in less than four years for horrendous abuse.

Thirdly, probation failed to approach her to even discuss the fact that he was being considered for probation after being in prison for less than four years. The first she knew that he was out and about was when she came face to face with him.

And fourthly, I then referred this through lawyers to the Safeguarding Board, to say, "What is this man doing in unsupervised contact with another child when he's already been convicted of child abuse?" To be told that his License has now expired he's no longer under License and there is nothing that they can do.

So, so you know I know I in a way I sound a bit like a broken record but these these issues are current. This is not just one child that this has happened to. I can tell you of other children in Rochdale, and actually in many other towns or cities around the country where this is going on, and it is hidden. You know, if you go to the Home Office and ask for a statement about this particular case, or even this particular man, they will say, as they have said, you know we don't discuss individual cases.

But this is another national scandal, that you scratch the surface of what is going on and you find these absolute horrific stories, that you know these kids have had their lives destroyed already and, you know, they're hiding behind curtains. They're walking around the streets having done nothing wrong and yet they are still being punished, and still being failed and it just makes my blood boil. And it is, you know, her words to me when she rang me was that her heart just stopped beating.

Now you know, I'd just like your listeners to put themselves in that position and consider how they would feel, and you it's terrifying, and and, is this what Justice is?

IAN COLLINS

And I'm what I suppose Maggie what makes this I mean, as if it could be any more extraordinary and earth-shattering and horrendous, but bearing in mind the shortcomings, the mistakes, the errors and I think we can really say, the cover-ups, the the the curious world, we're talking about all manner of agencies and areas you know people that try to report something and were sent on a racial awareness course because they dared raise their head above the parapet and goodness er all manner of calamitous, horrendous errors that were taking place and evidence that was missed or people speaking up that were ignored. We are all familiar with the outskirts of this story.

You might think, given all of that, that there couldn't be a case where anyone would leave anything to chance at the other end, ie. when these people came out of prison. That those responsible for our legal systems and the judicial system that jails people and sees people release would make sure that every I was dotted and T was crossed. Bearing in mind they were dealing with what could have been the most catastrophic justice breach that we had seen for many years.

But still that didn't happen, despite what had gone before it.

MAGGIE OLIVER

And you know, I came on Julia's show, two or three months ago, there was a previous case. This was this case from 2012. I worked on another big case in 2005, and I won't go into because it's another, but it was called operation Augusta. And I spent 15 years shouting from the treetops about the cover-ups and the fact that Greater Manchester Police had buried that job. And unless 97 potential, not potential, abusers, to walk the streets for 15 years, they have been forced to reopen that case. This is a repeating pattern.

This case that I'm talking about here, this child, that was Operation Spam. And arguably it is the most well known case of on-street grooming, child sexual abuse, whatever you want to call it, it's actually child rape. But this is one of the most high-profile cases in the country. And even on this case, where the public know pretty much what has happened, even on this case, when you scratch the surface, and unfortunately, you know, I'm still here, shouting it from the rooftops, because in every town and city there are children just like this 13 year old, who have to face the same consequences, you know, regularly.

And the establishment, the authorities, do not want the public to know that. They make it very difficult to find out.

IAN COLLINS

What is that? Why is that, Maggie? What is the, what is the reason?

MAGGIE OLIVER

God if I had a pound for every time I've asked that question I'd be a multimillionaire. I don't know because for me, you know, bear in mind I spent 16 years as a
police officer. I joined to make a difference, to protect these children, so it makes no sense on any level.

Why, number one, they don't deal with it properly.

Number two, why it continues to be covered up and what i'm, you know, I'm part of, I'm a co-participant now, on the National Abuse Inquiry and, you know, I'm actually, even in relation to that, they are not including any of the northern towns and cities where predominantly this kind of abuse happens.

IAN COLLINS

Do you think it's about racial sensitivities, is it as blunt as that?

MAGGIE OLIVER

I don't. I've spent a lot of time thinking about this and I've gone into, I wrote my own book, called "Survivors", which goes into this but I don't think it is as simple as that. I think that ethnicity is absolutely a part of it but I feel it goes much further than that.

I think this is about attitudes to what are considered kind of an underclass. You know those in the positions of power don't see children living in these communities, who are often from difficult backgrounds and have had, they are, the reason . . .

IAN COLLINS

. . . and that's often been used against them as well, hasn't it, in the past.

MAGGIE OLIVER

100%, you know.

IAN COLLINS

Just, just to interject Maggie, I'm just aware we're on the clock here a little bit, which is, which is a great shame because there's so much more to say.

This man, Adil Khan, legally at the moment is still meant to be deported.

MAGGIE OLIVER

Yes. And I you know, I mean, I thought he had been deported. There's three of them actually that challenged the deportation . . .

IAN COLLINS

. . . and lost the appeal. It's important, they lost the appeal. So they should be, one would have thought, straight from the challenge, where they lost, straight to an airport, you might think?

MAGGIE OLIVER

You would hope so, but clearly two years on that they're just trotting around the middle of Rochdale and . . .

IAN COLLINS

. . . and can walk, and can go shopping in Asda, and bump into one of their victims

Maggie, let's speak again on this, this is, it's so distressing and infuriating and of course, deeply upsetting because of the kind of nature of what we're talking about here.

Maggie Oliver, thank you. Former greater Manchester Police detective, one of the whistleblowers in the Rochdale grooming gang case. And there it is, there you heard the infuriation and the frustration and the upset in her voice, in just relaying some of what happened. The difficulties in getting through an impenetrable system, which I think is what she was alluding to there. And the fact that one of the child abusers, the paedophile Adil Khan, is walking around Asda doing his shopping, with a child, whether his own or somebody in his family, who knows, but not really a good look when you've just been jailed for eight years for child sex offences, you might think.

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BovaryX · 17/05/2020 14:12

but because of one little scandal in Rochdale

@Helpfulrabbit

Your attempt to minimize and excuse the industrial scale abuse during which girls were forcibly injected with heroin, collected from care homes, and subjected to horrific sexual abuse is contemptible. This scandal happened in full view of multiple state agencies. Their failure to protect its victims is a disgrace. One little scandal? Shame on you. Your words are revelatory.

Helpfulrabbit · 17/05/2020 14:14

@BovaryX I’m just going to leave this thread to play out in the predictable way that it no doubt will, your racism and islamophobia just gets me so infuriated and I really don’t want to get myself into trouble on here.

Have a good day everybody.

BovaryX · 17/05/2020 14:15

from so called do gooders

@Helpfulrabbit

The 'so called do gooders' are the cultural relativists who defend the indefensible, repeatedly fail to protect vulnerable victims and toss around shop worn slogans to justify their cowardice. And moral bankruptcy.

andyoldlabour · 17/05/2020 14:17

Rabbit
"They have the right to practice their own religions and cultural habits here and they don’t need Interference from so called do gooders who think that they have the superior ethics."

That is the attitude which allowed these monsters to prey on young children, to abuse and torture them

BovaryX · 17/05/2020 14:20

@Helpfulrabbit

Don't bore me by tossing around baseless insults in an attempt to shut people up. I am not white. I have zero tolerance for cultural relativists. You can't defend your position because it is indefensible.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/05/2020 14:36

by forcing western ideals and morals into them you are essentially using another form of Colonialism against them.

As we all know this isn't the only reason why the Rochdale case and similar cases were so poorly handled, but it is part of the overall picture. This is attitude is dangerous to the women and children in those groups.

Back to the OP, Adil Khan is convicted child rapist with a deportation order against him who lost his appeal against the deportation order. Why is he still in the UK? He should have been on a plane the day after he lost the appeal. Tackling the entrenched attitude that children of the "underclass" are different to other kids and don't deserve the same level of protection is a massive task that will probably take generations, but in terms of those abusers who were tried and convicted and who've then been allowed to slither their way out of the terms of their conviction there should be something we can do immediately to force the authorities to carry out the sentencing correctly. Frankly I'd rather see him jailed for like, but we all know that's never going to happen, so the least the authorities can do is do what they said they would and deport the bastard.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/05/2020 14:36

Jailed for life. If anyone likes the person in question their moral compass is broken.

Tachograph · 17/05/2020 14:42

They should not be interfered with too much by our way of life. They have the right to practice their own religions and cultural habits here and they don’t need Interference from so called do gooders who think that they have the superior ethics. Honestly I thought people would be a lot more progressive than this, for a forum full of women some of you behave precisely like men.

No, they don't 'have the right to practice their own religions and cultural habits here' if that involves the abuse or mutilation of children. I hate people like you who talk about being 'progressive' but aren't interested in stopping real life atrocities and seemingly just want to play progressive bingo. If being a 'do gooder' is speaking out against that then I'll happily take that label.

Look at the enduring trauma that has been caused and try and tell me that's ok and should be ignored. I don't know what you mean by 'behaving precisely like men' but as a man that doesn't share your view and will always try and fight against VAWG I can only assume it's a good thing.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/05/2020 14:44

Just an FYI, people may want to skip over to the LibDems thread in order to get a better sense of where the bunny is coming from.

DidoLamenting · 17/05/2020 15:50

I'm in awe of Maggie Oliver- what a woman.

I can't begin to understand why this man has not been deported.

I see Helpfulrabbit is giving an other example showing exactly who she is so, not that you need me to tell you Bovary, but I wouldn't bother wasting time replying to her ridiculous accusations of racism.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/05/2020 15:53

Yeah, Dido, I almost pointed you over to this thread as a heads up after the Rangers v Celtic comment, but then decided that reporting was probably the way to go.

BovaryX · 17/05/2020 16:03

Hey, Dido and Prodigal, thank you for the heads up. I took a look at that other thread. Good. Grief. As you say, no point in engaging. Cheers for letting me know!

MoleSmokes · 18/05/2020 09:07

@DJLippy posted a link to a blog about Oldham on the "Male Grooming" thread and I followed it up. I replied on that thread but it is highly relevant to this thread.

(Copied from Male Grooming thread)

DJLippy - "You've all heard about what happened in Rotherham but how many of you have heard about Oldham? This is a on-going scandal."

Bloody Nora!!!! That blog is mind-blowing!

I have posted a current OP about Rochdale so I will share the article that shows a link between the "grooming gangs" in the two towns: Shabir ‘call me Daddy’ Ahmed.

"The name Shabir ‘call me Daddy’ Ahmed will be known by everyone who has followed the Rochdale Grooming Gang scandal. What will be less known about him will be that he was both an active member of the Oldham Labour Party and an Oldham Council employee where he supported vulnerable children and their families.

Multiple ex Councillors have confirmed with me that as well as being a member of his local branch of the Labour Party, Shabir Ahmed was also a regular visitor to the parliamentary offices of the MP for Oldham West & Royton. Unknown to most Oldham people, what is now 100% indisputable, even though Oldham Council Leader, Sean Fielding, continues to dodge questions, is that Shabir Ahmed was active in Oldham. He held a job with the Council and a Cartel connected company where he had access to children, he was an active member of his Labour Party branch and was a regular visitor at his MPs office. Those of us familiar with the methods of peadophiles will know that these monsters associate themselves with powerful people through which their victims are further silenced. My understanding is that even the Police were unaware of how embedded Shabir Ahmed was in Oldham.

As stories of Asian grooming gangs spread from places ranging from Rochdale to Rotherham, there appeared to be an absence of such investigations in Oldham. Whilst multiple Oldham based groomers, including Shabir Ahmed, appeared to be conducting their filthy business in neighbouring towns, it appeared that Oldham had survived. Unfortunately, what I share with you now will suggest a very different story."

Continued at:
recusant-nine.com/recusant-nine/welcome2oldhampart4

This blog is an expose of the political backdrop to Pakistani-Muslim "grooming gangs". Not "political correctness" but political careerism: ignoring and covering up child-rape for votes.

The author, Raja Miah MBE, might be engaged in these exposes for not entirely selfless reasons (anyone interested, Google the name). That does not detract from the information he is putting out there - just that it is possible that his take on some things might be at least partly politically motivated.

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I spent a fair bit of time reading other posts on that blog recusant-nine.com

Detailed analysis by Raja Miah, a local, high profile Pakistani-Muslim businessman/community leader (?), of how the Labour Party (especially white "cosmopolitan" activists and local politicians) has abandoned the white working class because it needs to keep in with power-brokers in the Pakistani-Muslim community.

This, he contends, is why there is a problem still in Oldham and why nobody knows about it: white Labour Party careerists who are prepared to ignore and cover-up current wrong-doing and past convictions in exchange for political support and favours.

Caveat repeat: the author has a declared, vested political (and possibly personal) interest.

Also, in case I am thought to be Labour-bashing:

NALCALT - Not All Labour Councils Are Like That
Whatabout . . . Tory, Lib Dem etc. etc. - I am not suggesting that they always behave impeccably.

(Point of fact, there was documented evidence of collusion between members of a Welsh Labour and a Cheshire Tory Council in covering up abuse of boys in custody in North Wales.)

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This was another eye-opener!

There were links in the recusant-nine blog to videos of an Oldham Council Meeting, Nov 6 2019.

It was attended by "a group of grandmas" (quote) who wanted to know what was happening with an inquiry into grooming gangs in Oldham that the Council had been dodging and had then handed over to Andy Burnham (Manchester Mayor).

A key point is that the Oldham inquiry was supposed to go back further, to 2006, to cover specific events and incidents but the Manchester inquiry only starts at 2012/13.

The footage is spread over several overlapping videos so I have just picked the ones with most relevant content and the least shots of floor and ceiling. (6 Nov 2019)

You do not see all this in the videos but this is what happened:

One of the women in the Public Gallery had been listed to ask Councillor Sean Fielding a question about the Oldham grooming-gang report

  • however, the Chair invited two councillors to ask questions and they ran over, taking up the full 15 minutes allocated for Public Questions
(One of the Councillors subsequently resigned following heavy criticism for his part in the filibustering although it seems he was an innocent stooge who had been set up)
  • the woman tries to go up to ask her question. The Chair says she is disrupting the meeting and will call the Police to have her removed
  • the woman will not give in
  • The Chair tells her there is no time, she has to send in a new written question and will be listed to ask it at the next Council meeting in two months time
  • people in the Public Gallery get angry, shouting that they want to hear her question

(Video 1 footage starts here)

  • she goes up to the mic and asks her question anyway
  • just as she finishes the Chair adjourns the meeting to prevent Councillor Fielding from having to answer her!
  • out of the Chamber, the Chair has called the Police on the woman
  • Greater Manchester Police arrive and threaten to physically remove the woman from the Council Chamber for "causing an issue"
  • she refuses to go with them and the Police move away (I think to apprehend one of the men who had been shouting earlier that they wanted to hear the question)

(Video 2 starts here)

  • the Chair re-convenes the meeting and tries to move Business, saying she will have the Police remove the woman if she continues to disrupt the meeting
  • the woman keeps on that she wants to ask her question and why were the Police called to remove her?
  • the Chair keeps on telling her she cannot ask her question and that if she does not stop she will adjourn the meeting again and have her removed from the Chamber
  • the Chair adjourns the meeting for a second time to again to prevent her asking her question and being answered.

(Video 3 starts here)

  • later, in answer to the question, Councillor Fielding claims that the allegations of child sex exploitation and failings within the Council that have been exposed on social media are "bare faced lies".

Video 1

OLDHAM council meeting visited by anti child abuse protesters- meeting closed- Police called

Video 2 (lack of action - which is the point and the disgrace here!)

Re-Opening After Adjournment

Video 3 (after 2nd adjournment)

502 Bare Faced Lies

Description under similar footage:

On the 6th November 2019, Oldham Council Leader, SEAN FIELDING, claimed that the allegations of child sex exploitation and the failures exposed on social media of the failings within his Council were bare faced lies. Unfortunately, his lead investigator, the 'renowned' Dr Peel, didn't seem to agree with him and refused to undertake the Review he had been hired to lead on historical cases of grooming, rape and trafficking of predominantly White working class girls in Oldham.

A later Freedom of Information response from Greater Manchester Police was to show that in Oldham, in the 10 year period between 2008-18, the Police themselves had flagged 502 cases involving child sex exploitation.

Meanwhile, SEAN FIELDING, still refuses to confirm that the ringleader of the Rochdale Grooming Gang, SHABIR AHMED, was employed by OLDHAM COUNCIL.

Video 4 (28 Nov 2019) TV report

Oldham Council Accused of Failing to Respond When Warned About Sexual Grooming - ITV News - Granada Reports

(Includes interview with a victim and a Councillor who was sacked in 2012 after blowing whist leaking a confidential Police memo warning of the extent of the problem, gangs of men abusing girls in care)
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I don't know if you are still around HelpfulRabbit - I found your contributions to this thread genuinely shocking. I cannot recall ever coming across someone speaking so arrogantly and patronisingly to someone about other people in an equally patronising way.

You obviously have no idea how you come across. Despite talking about "Colonialism" as if it was a bad thing, you actually come across like a Last Days of the Raj, Lady Bountiful Memsahib. You could slip the phrase "noble savage" into your little lectures to the supposed hoi polloi and it would not be out of place.

As for your staggering ignorance about child exploitation networks in the UK - Rochdale was "one little scandal"??

Do yourself and everyone else a favour and do your bloody homework before you come here lecturing us - and try reading the thread rather than jumping to conclusions.

"And don’t get me started on the OP’s attempt at implicating the Pakistani community in this sort of thing as well, they have wrongly had a spotlight under them for far too long now and it’s threads like this that continue to shine a negative light on them from all angles."

Don't get me started on the fact that:

  • my OP was about a specific case focusing on failure of the Criminal Justice System on multiple counts
  • I highlighted and repeated again in a later post that Maggie Oliver rejected the notion put to her by the interviewer that the issues in handling the original prosecutions were due to "racial sensitivities" or "ethnicity"
  • you however are keen to turn a blind eye and shut people up precisely because the offenders are Pakistani-Muslim - which is not an "implication", it is a fact
  • what others have attended to is that the focus here is on the victims - not the characteristics of the perpetrators
  • which was your reaction, "What about the lovely, Roma(ntic) child abusers!" in relation to the PP about the abuse of children in a particular Roma community.

If there was a similar case of failure to deport a white atheist do you seriously think that we would not be just as bothered about the impact on the victim and the failure of the Criminal Justice System?

Please do stay away.

Your overriding concern for the perpetrators of child abuse mentioned in this thread, from what you have said because they fulfil some sort of fetish for the exotic, is a singularly unhelpful distraction.

Such internalised Colonialism and lack of insight are so extreme they are cringingly embarrassing.

Cultural Self-Loathing as Progressive Virtue (THE SAAD TRUTH_1052)

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MoleSmokes · 18/05/2020 15:51

Hi andyoldlabour - there are several articles and analyses online that challenge the narrative of this being anything other than "a thing got up by the far right press", ie. The Times. (!)

I will post some links later.

It is hard work trawling through the more detailed analyses. So far I have only found ones that seem to have been hammered out on spittle-flecked keyboards by "academics" despairing that anyone believes anything written in "Britain’s gutter tabloids, the Daily Mirror and The Daily Mail being particular low points".

I have also found blogs, websites, YouTube channels, Social Media accounts for a variety of parent's groups (from informal to registered charities with longstanding record of support services, training, etc.)

The frustration, anger and despair of parents is heartbreaking. The dignity and resilience of victims - I just don't know how some of them have come through this without losing their minds. There are interviews with Whistleblowers from different towns and cities, people who were sacked, silenced, hounded.

I make no apologies for returning repeatedly to comparisons with cases like the abuse of boys in care in North Wales. There are many other comparisons, I just happen to have followed that one and have some personal knowledge that I shared with Journalists decades ago when they were investigating one of the homes.

There were factors in those cases / networks that no one wanted to talk about at the time but that it was possible to explore long after the event without people having attacks of the vapours:

  • allegations against local politicians (some well founded, others of mistaken identity and others complete fabrications)
  • involvement of police officers: in the abuse, covering up the abuse, threatening potential whistle blowers or "turning a blind eye"
  • Masonic links between abusers / cover up
  • known paedophiles working in schools and care homes in the area
  • parents who could not believe or did not want to believe persistent rumours about "good men".

There are completely different reasons why nobody wanted to delve into Masonic links to networks in North Wales in the 1970's/80's and why talking about links with "traditional" Muslim communities is such a touchy subject today. (The Bristol cases involved primarily Somali men).

There are possibly some similarities, to do with local "power brokers".

However, no one in their right mind would mistake considering "Masonic links" in the North Wales care homes networks as a smear on "the Masonic community".

But consideration of a common factor to do with "cultural heritage" that is not predominantly white and middle class is out of bounds?

Something that is fascinating about Rabbit's interventions is that so much of her "not meddling with what you don't understand - it's a different culture" in relation to the Roma sounds uncannily like the reasons relied on by Social Services and the Police for not helping the "underclass" girls who were abused.

The big difference being that Rabbit trots out a thinly guised "noble savage" trope in relation to the Roma whereas the white, working class were perceived as a "lost cause" by "the authorities" - and I suspect still are by Rabbit and her ilk.

The mental processes baffle me but it seems to boil down to,

  • Anyone in a position to do something practical to help children who are being physically and sexually abused should always prioritise children who are being abused by white men.
  • When we have solved that problem, then we can consider helping children who are being physically and sexually abused by other people - but only if the children are part of . . . what . . . indigenous white culture? Because . . .
  • Never interfere when people from "other minority cultures" (whatever they are) physically and sexually abuse their children.

If I have got that right then presumably Rabbit would want to repeal the Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003?

I think I have got all that out my system now - apologies that that was a bit rambling - those comments just left me reeling!

OP posts:
DJLippy · 18/05/2020 16:17

Thanks for the digging Moles that's some brilliant detective work!

MoleSmokes · 18/05/2020 18:06

Hi DJLippy - thank you for the original link!

I wonder if any of those Oldham women are on Mumsnet? The trail seemed to go cold after the November Council meeting but I might have been looking in the wrong places.

The Rochdale fiasco is staggering, that those bastards were not deported! There have been parents groups protesting on the streets. I just can't get over how after all they have been through that the CJS is still treating those girls like they are of no account! Angry

The Home Office just fobs off their MP - it's disgusting!

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NotaRealLawyer · 18/05/2020 18:42

Thank you for keeping this in the public eye Moles, andy, DJ and others

It's a total disgrace to read this. I've see the ongoing corruption and cover ups in Rochdale, Oldham and Greater Manchester since the early 80's.

Shame on Rabbit for trying to close this down, although I'm unsurprised to see the same pathetic distraction techniques being brought into play.

Shout out about this ongoing huge cover up and scandal as loud and as far as you can.

Maggie Oliver is an incredible woman. I, for one, am so grateful to see you here picking up the baton from her, and running with this.

MoleSmokes · 19/05/2020 15:35

TheInebriati - "Are Centre for Womens Justice aware of this?"

Sorry, I missed your reply! This looks right up their street!

I have had a look at their website and they advertised the launch of Maggie Oliver's charity but there is nothing to suggest that they are actively involved in any of these cases.

I don't know if any of these women are on Mumsnet to tag them (I have tried searching a few names without anything coming up):
www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk/our-people

I will contact CWJ directly to find out Smile

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George4444 · 18/09/2020 11:10

There is a petition asking for a Public Inquiry into Grooming Gangs here is the link. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/327566

The petition is Supported by a Charity helping survivors, the Maggie Oliver Foundation

Last year we learned 57 young girls were thought to have been exploited by up to 100 members of a grooming gang. There is clear public concern, and appear to be failings by Police, Social Services, Local Authorities and the CPS to protect the most vulnerable.

A public inquiry should answer: What happened? Who is to blame? What can be done to prevent this happening again? Is there a racial/religious element to this type of offending? How are survivors being supported and should more be done.

Petition is at 8,000+ it needs to get to 10,000 for a written government response. Your help is much appreciated.

All about awareness and protecting children and young adults.

Click on the link. Click on sign, provide your email, and confirm your support by clicking the link that the parliamentary website send to your email address.

Eyesofdisarray · 18/09/2020 11:45

Thank you Molesmokes- great post.
Have signed the petition linked to above by George4444

Rabbit needs a name change - maybe to 'unhelpful rabbit'
Smile

andyoldlabour · 18/09/2020 12:24

Thanks George4444, just added two more signatures.

littlbrowndog · 18/09/2020 12:28

Done

NonnyMouse1337 · 18/09/2020 12:32

Thank you, have signed.

thenightsky · 18/09/2020 12:38

Signed.