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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Old but very good article - Sex Change: Physically Impossible (contains good 'Guardian' link!!!)

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aliasundercover · 15/05/2020 11:29

You may have read this before, but I've just seen it . It's extremely well argued:
www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/03/21151/

Amazingly, it links to a fair and balanced Guardian article!
www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/31/health.socialcare
.. it is from more than a decade ago, but still

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Angryresister · 15/05/2020 12:13

Goodness...a balanced article in the Guardian....just shows how they have taken on a totally different set of cultish ideas of late, fascinating. Even talking about detransitioning. Marvellous.

Winesalot · 15/05/2020 13:27

Thanks for posting it. Luckily I had just got my eyes back into my head after reading this from a link on twitter.

blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

It is an article that simply states (I think, as I is poorly written) that every single person is different with differing genes, neurology and hormones.... so It is wrong to say sex is binary.

I felt that the whole article completely ignored the premise that people still required medical intervention to ‘change sex’. Because the article talks about a) if certain genes stop functioning, gonads can change to have characteristics of the opposite sex. To quote ‘certain components of your biological sex can change’..(this was a surprise? I have not heard that fully formed penises changed to clitorises.) b) the trans brain and c) hormones effecting feminine / masculine behaviour.

Or was I misunderstanding this and the writer of this piece wrote it as a guide for diagnosis of gender disphoria for the future? I am truly not sure what their point was.

Either way, it was great to read the public discourse article.

OldCrone · 15/05/2020 15:45

From the Guardian article. WTF has happened in the last 16 years to get from this totally reasonable article to the utter insanity of today?

"Their language is illusory. You fundamentally can't change sex," he says. "The surgery doesn't alter you genetically. It's genital mutilation. My 'vagina' was just the bag of my scrotum. It's like a pouch, like a kangaroo. What's scary is you still feel like you have a penis when you're sexually aroused. It's like phantom limb syndrome. It's all been a terrible misadventure. I've never been a woman, just Alan."

Finch, formerly known as Helen, wants to know why people who want a sex change are treated differently from other psychiatric patients who hate their bodies. He says: "The fact that someone's suicidal and wanting something isn't a reason to provide it. The analogy I use about giving surgery to someone desperate to change sex is it's a bit like offering liposuction to an anorexic."

After a long struggle with her gender identity, Dainton believes she is now wiser. She says: "It's taken eight years finally to get to grips with myself and the reality of my situation. I know I will never be anything other than a transsexual. As long as I live, I will never be a real woman - no matter how well I pass. Unless you really come to terms with this, the transsexual lifestyle can be unbearably hard. If we throw away our support by burying ourselves in 'normal society', it can also become unbearably lonely. So my message is, proceed with caution."

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