Creepy Fucker Matt Hancock

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Just had to share this, it made my skin crawl. Her use of 'handbag shield' is exceptional.

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Never are they seen as what they actually are

And men, in general, Sarah, what are they?

Women can't even blink without being told they are doing it wrong

...and often by women on here. For goodness sake can you hear yourself?

I'm astounded how far women go to make excuses for men, it's like we are programmed to just accept it.

Generally I try not to make assumptions about why anyone is doing something that seems weird or odd, be it a man or a woman. There are a few possible explanations, some more likely than others.

It's pretty condescending to other women to imply this is something they do because of some underlying sexism they can't recognise. About the same as someone suggesting others assume it's because he has a bad attitude to women because they are anti-man.

We arent discussing men in general.

We are discussing how there are a million excuses for when men act in predatory and/ or creepy domineering /threatening ways and completely ignoring the fact they are making someone incredibly uncomfortable at best and feeling really scared or threatened at worst.

It's pretty condescending to other women to imply this is something they do because of some underlying sexism they can't recognise

No it's not. It's crucial in understanding socialisation.

No it's not. It's crucial in understanding socialisation

I honestly don't buy this blanket 'female socialisation' thingy, anymore.Or that everything us about social conditioning. I think that nuanced, & compassionate humanity is a desirable feature in all human beings....and also don't think it is exclusive to either sex.

We aren't discussing men in general

Well, if we aren't discussing men 'in general' then it is properly best not to make generalised statements. Far too crude and blunt an instrument. Best to discuss individuals or individual behaviour.

And it's a very common theme on MN whenever strategic incompetence or gaslighting or predatory behaviour is at play to come up with a million excuses .

Thats the issue. A creepy man is never seen as a creepy man

Could he be any closer if he tried ! It was almost Matt 'hand on cock' !!!

I reckon someone made him stand there for a photo op or something and he doesn’t know what to do next

I agree- he actually started to move slightly away from her before she turned round.

TBH to me he looks incredibly goofy and nerdy rather than leery

I agree. I also don't think she looked uncomfortable or was handbag shielding. It looked more to me that they had both been told to stand there, they both realised it was too close, he started to move away and her movement with her arm made it even worse.

I'm astounded how far women go to make excuses for men, it's like we are programmed to just accept it

Yeah , right it's only the rad fems who can think for themselves. I suppose the contrary view is how far some feminists go to put the worst possible spin on something because a man is involved.

Men however are everything from socially awkward, unaware of their size, accidentally invasive or autistic when they act like this

We arent discussing men in general

First comment looks very much like a generalisation.

A creepy man is never seen as a creepy man

Are you going to educate those posters who didn't see a creepy man?

I honestly don't buy this blanket 'female socialisation' thingy,

But what you like just. If you don't think gender roles are imposed on women, that's up to you. But you're talking to feminists for whom it's a cornerstone of feminism.

But you're talking to feminists for whom it's a cornerstone of feminism

Justhadathought is talking to other women on an internet forum. This idea that women are incapable of independent thought because of socialisation might be a cornerstone of your belief- it doesn't mean every woman has to agree with you.

I haven't said women are incapable of independent thought. Neither do I expect women to agree with me.

It's a bit boring though when people attribute arguments to me that I'm not making.

No it's not. It's crucial in understanding socialisation.

Sometimes you can make reasonable statements about socialisation.

But there is no indication that is what is going on here. It's just being used as an excuse for dismissing people who aren't saying what some want them to say.

Everyone who has looked ath the video thinks it looks very ackward and clearly he is making her uncomfortable.

There are also all kinds of possible things that could be going on, and we have no idea which ones are applicable or not. Several people have suggested what seems likely to them based on their experience with things like filming, or with autistic people (like their own kids.)

And because they can't actually give one rational or evidential reason to dismiss those possibilities or even to say they are unlikely, they resort to impinging the motives of the people speaking - again with zero evidece that there is anything like that going on except that it is not the answer they like.

"If you say something I don't like you must be compromised" in not an analysis of socialisation.

I don't know if you're directing that, to me, goose, as you included my comment. But it doesn't look relevant to what I said. So I won't be addressing it. In case you were wondering!

He doesn't look creepy to me. Just a little awkward in front of the camera. Give the guy a break.

On a related note, this reminded me of 20 years ago, when I was in my 20s and had to do a lot of business travel by air, often by myself. I had to develop a technique when I was waiting in the airport check in queue, as so it frequently happened that men would use this opportunity to stand far too uncomfortably close to me (the guy behind me in the queue). My technique was that I would turn my back to the queue and caually stick out my foot in front of me, giving myself about 30 cm space , which is about the minimal normal distance to expect in an airport queue. The number of times a man fell over my foot was insane. A woman never ever did. Opportunistic creepy behaviour that is difficult to call or, and women usually have to put up with as it's in a "grey area" . Strangely, now that I am in my late 40s and no longer pert looking, I no longer have to employ this technique...

No it's not. It's crucial in understanding socialisation.

Ahh, what bullocks.

How nasty to rip MH apart for the video linked to above. Neither of them come across well tbh. The woman looks torieish through and through with her wannabe Kate middleton stydle dress and handbag and MH seems no more or less clueless and creeepy than any other senior male Torie I've met a few.

Yes he positions himself in a most awkward way but the way he talks to her sounds respectful enough. I am perfectly aware of creepy space taking men and know how to be crystal clear in my own body language to signal move away creep.

It's pure character assassination and zero intelligent debate on this thread. Do I like MH? no way. Am i convinced by his politic? Hell no.

But stop the freaking mobbing.

Maybe he is on the spectrum as another poster suggested. Ripping him apart for his spacial behaviour would be completely disablist if this were true. Enough already.

If you don't think gender roles are imposed on women, that's up to you.
I know 100% that gender roles are due to socialisation. However the woman in the video using her cute little handbag to put space between them? Oh please!

the way I read this video is that the media opportunity was not planned, an outfit was found in a rush and the interview was very rushed and unplanned.

What a nasty unpleasant thread

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You appear to be confusing my response to justs assertion that she 'doesn't buy this blanket socialisation thingy', with other people's speculation on the reasons for Hancock's space invading.

The woman looks torieish through and through with her wannabe Kate middleton stydle dress and handbag

It's pure character assassination and zero intelligent debate on this thread

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I'm still stuck on the bit where the woman is apparently just as bad because her dress and handbag as not to the poster's liking.

“ Could he be any closer if he tried ! It was almost Matt 'hand on cock' !!!”

Comments like this along with the general tone of the thread lead to people not being taken seriously

I'm sorry, but that's absolutely set me off.

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We now have to employ brevity with our levity.