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Keir Starmer

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87Callista · 03/05/2020 14:33

Just a little vent.

Is anyone else disappointed that we have yet another male leader?

I know I know, we're supposed to be happy that we have a fighting chance now etc etc but I can't help feeling done with male leaders, even the good ones. Is that ridiculous of me? Am I going lockdown crazy?

I just wonder....will our daughters ever see a female leader or will we forever have to sit and applaud like seals and show an abundance of gratitude for having a woman dep leader.

I've just fallen out with my dad over text because he's so head over heels for Keir and doesn't believe the gender of the leader matters..... that's great and everything but look at the UK and the US through history and tell me there isn't something deeply wrong going on.

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Rtahter · 03/05/2020 16:57

The Labour Party is in shambles. The women running were totally not up to the job. The right person, yes a man, won. I would say: "that's all there is to it!" Except it isn't. We have a huge problem with misogyny in the LP and having yet another male leader is pretty fucking tedious but that's what we women are accustomed to, isn't it? We take 1 step forward 2 steps back and yes it's shite but we keep going!! So my advice to you is keep going.

Your dad is right but probably insensitive as he's a man and has zero experience being a woman so doesn't/CAN'T understand your concerns. I would just leave it.

BlueBooby · 03/05/2020 17:05

Labour are the only big party I can think of who've never had a female leader. I "should" be a labour supporter as I'm from a working class background, family always supported labour, left leaning etc, but I think they're actually the worst party out there.

BlueBooby · 03/05/2020 17:06

And Keir Starmer was the only electable person imo but I don't think he gives a fig about women particularly.

TyroSaysMeow · 03/05/2020 17:08

Where were the female candidates of substance?

Ousted for terfery and witchcraft long ago.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 03/05/2020 17:10

...that we have yet another male leader
Just lovin' the assumption that everyone on the Feminist chat must be a Labour voter...

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/05/2020 17:14

I wouldn't say the right person won, just the least bad.

But yes, there used to be female MPs I'd have liked to have seen as leader. The current bunch are just woeful.

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/05/2020 17:17

Not really Grumpy, it's just quicker to type 'leader' than 'leader of the Labour Party'. Everyone on the thread knows which leader is being discussed.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 03/05/2020 17:19

'...another male Labour leader...'?
I think I'd have made the effort, but I'm a pedantic grump.

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/05/2020 17:53
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glomerulus · 03/05/2020 18:12

Starmer was the right person to win out of the candidates on offer.

My theory is this - misogyny is rife in the labour party. The only women happy to run as leader were prepared to either turn a blind eye to this or openly embrace it in a cool-girl, lib-fem, twaw kinda way.

I would like to see misogyny dealt with within the labour party, so that an effective female both can and crucially would want to rise through the ranks.

I have hopes for Starmer, but maybe I'm being overly optimistic.

TyroSaysMeow · 03/05/2020 18:46

The only women happy to run as leader were prepared to either turn a blind eye to this or openly embrace it in a cool-girl, lib-fem, twaw kinda way.

This makes it sound like there are plenty of non-libfem, twanw women in a position to run for leader, but none of them wanted to.

I think it's more that women in the Labour party get so much shit for refusing to toe the genderist line that no one gender critical rises that high in the first place.

notmrpootles · 03/05/2020 19:17

"I can't help feeling done with male leaders, even the good ones. Is that ridiculous of me? ... I just wonder....will our daughters ever see a female leader or will we forever have to sit and applaud like seals and show an abundance of gratitude for having a woman dep leader."

You write this as if all Mumsnet users are members of the despicable, vile, disgusting Labour Party. The Labour Party for the last 4 years was led by a vile anti-semitic, terrorist-supporting, Britain-hating piece of shit Anyone who remained a member of such a loathsome cult should hang their head in shame.

I don't have to ask myself "Will my daughters ever see a female leader" because the party I belong to elected one back in 1975, did so again in 2016. Fuck the vile Labour Party and its sycophants, damn them to hell.

glomerulus · 03/05/2020 19:38

I think it's more that women in the Labour party get so much shit for refusing to toe the genderist line that no one gender critical rises that high in the first place.

Yes, this too! I think my point is that the culture in labour isn't going to throw up a lot of capable female candidates, which is unfortunate.

DidoLamenting · 03/05/2020 20:27

I don't have to ask myself "Will my daughters ever see a female leader" because the party I belong to elected one back in 1975, did so again in 2016

And like them or loathe them Nicola Sturgeon and Arlene Foster have been leaders and First Ministers since in Sturgeon's case 2014 and Foster's on and off since 2016.

StarintheMorning · 03/05/2020 21:27

BeMoreZenLike. Unfortunately Jacinda Ardern is as woke as they come, believes TWAW, and wants to ‘simplify’ the process for changing identity.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 03/05/2020 21:28

Since the Lizz Truss announcement, I've seen a concerted TRA campaign to get Starmer, Marsha deCordova or other shadow ministers to condemn it, but there's not been a peep out of them. Might be too early but I'm hoping they've learned from the leadership debacle just how angry women are about this.
As far as I can tell, its pretty much just Dawn Butler out of the Labour MPs who's been openly against Truss's comments and that's not much of a surprise.

HPFA · 03/05/2020 21:30

Anyone who remained a member of such a loathsome cult should hang their head in shame.

You do realise you're talking about many perfectly, ordinary decent people here don't you? Your own party with its "hostile environment" policies has things to be embarrassed about as well.

There are parties, like the Nazis, the BNP, that are set up to pursue explicitly vile purposes, there are others, like our Conservative and Labour parties, that are not. People in the latter parties always have the right to try and restore them to their better selves.

PositiveVibez · 03/05/2020 21:36

Well considering Lisa nandy openly agreed that a male child rapist who later self id's as a woman should be allowed in female prisons and Rebecca long bailey signed the trans pledge that womens people UK are a hate organisation, I really couldn't have voted for any of them.

I left the Labour party a while ago now. But no. I'm not disappointed the kier is now the leader.

GladAllOver · 03/05/2020 21:45

The best person won. Yes it's sad that the best person wasn't a woman, but now at last the party has a leader who might, just might create an effective opposition to this fuck awful government.

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 03/05/2020 21:50

The labour party has had the chance to elect decent women in the past. Yvette Cooper stood. I think she finished third behind Corbyn and Andy Burnham.

TyroSaysMeow · 03/05/2020 22:14

Yvette Cooper stood. I think she finished third behind Corbyn and Andy Burnham.

No surprises there - the wokebros turned out in force for their brocialist Jesus. A mere woman stood no chance.

DidoLamenting · 04/05/2020 03:55

Yvette Cooper stood. I think she finished third behind Corbyn and Andy Burnham

No surprises there - the wokebros turned out in force for their brocialist Jesus. A mere woman stood no chance

I don't think you can blame just the wokebros for that.

noavailablename · 04/05/2020 04:18

He is the best out of a truly shocking bunch.
At least we are seeing a bit more of Yvette Cooper recently.
It is Sex, not Gender.

CrimeAndMumishment · 04/05/2020 04:25

I would love to see a woman leader of the Labour party but I would rather have someone who is good for women and who understands the problems the working class face. For this reason, I'm ok with Keir Starmer being in charge.

As much as I liked JC in the beginning, he showed himself to be hopelessly out of touch with the actual issues that affect the working classes in the UK as it is today. Just clueless.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/05/2020 04:25

I believe the other female candidates would have been actively harmful for women.

Because women have to pretend to be anti-women to be electable. Men can throw a bone our way but for a woman to be pro-women? Hell no. How the fuck we got to this point, where the Tories can have multiple women Prime Ministers but the Labour Party can't have a female party leader... it's embarrassing.