Oh ffs bbc!

[NeurotrashWarrior]

The way these two stories are juxtaposed.

Seems about right to me, they go together - men's right to have women subservient to them

Seems about right to me, they go together - men's right to have women subservient to them

Yup!

Perfect!

Says it all doesnt it.

I'd love to know how much thought and work goes into 'servicing' the needs of women with disabilities. Any? I doubt it.

I'll admit I've watched neither.

And then....

The MRA claims to not want to reduce women's rights, but then implies that entitlement to the vote should be linked to service in the army . . . interesting. He wants to seem very reasonable but gives himself away a lot.

The sex and disability video is pretty good - the headline is misleading as the man doesn't actually say that, and most of the video is about women.
I haven't watched the men's rights video yet, but I don't have a problem with it in principle. MRAs exist so I'd like to know their thinking - you don't win an argument by not knowing your opponents position.

Some of the BBC online headlines are awful, awful click bait. I watched the sex & the disabled video and it wasn’t as awful as the headline indicated (though one disabled person was paying for sex & etc.)

The MRAs are always absolutely hideous, aren't they? So funny how you get a bad vibe, even from a photograph. I can imagine women literally run away in real life. I know I would. I have never ever seen a picture of an MRA and thought anything other than that man is hateful.

MRAs exist so I'd like to know their thinking
From what I gather, it's usually they want right to stick their dick in whoever/whatever they want, and to put those awful feminists back in the kitchen.

I've watched both. Days ago. The sex and disability video is very good. The man never says that.

The MRA video was interesting at first, because the man was speaking about things that are harmful for men (ie the way that the patriarchy harms men) and so I thought this was a case of the BBC being quite food.

Then the man in the MRA video drops the pretence and I just swore at him for the rest of the video. Absolute rubbish.

No, there's a particular editor on the app this weekend with a particular agenda...

I watched the MRA video on iPlayer a few days ago. I was disappointed because it seemed very short and abrupt. It could have been a much more substantial documentary spread over an hour or two that looked at the 'manosphere' from different angles, perspectives and people. I'm interested to understand the variety of opinion in the MRA circle as it's different from my own viewpoints. Some issues raised sounded like genuine grievances worth unpacking and exploring, while others seemed like unsubstantiated rants against a perceived enemy (feminism).
It would have been good if they covered it in more detail. I liked the conversation between the guy who wanted to see men take more responsibility for their behaviour and improve things for men overall, and the other guy disagreeing with him. It could have had more depth and explored the reasoning on each side.

Did you see the recent "Incels" documentary? That was quite good.

I also got the "I prayed to God to make me a girl" article suggestion next to the MRA one. Someone is on a right mission at the BBC today.

I thought the MRA guy in the OP looked familiar...think he was the one who appeared in this R4 documentary broadcast late last year...

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0009rjr

Was this other BBC story discussed on here?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51928077

Quite interesting, and it's hard not to feel for the writer, who with 5 older sisters understandably probably saw being a girl as cool and fun, and felt miserable being completely excluded from all that as a boy. They've also clearly suffered for their identity.

I was probably more sympathetic with this case than most I've read, as the writer was neither consciously pushed into it by their family nor discovered it as a sexual fetish in later life.

I thought the MRA guy in the OP looked familiar...think he was the one who appeared in this R4 documentary broadcast late last year

Apparently he was in alot of gay porn....?

I really don't think men's rights are incompatible with women's rights, and if anyone can think of an occasion when they conflict it's probably not a 'right' anyone should have in the first place.

effing yes when I got down off my high horse and read it I found it very interesting. Such an extremely gendered culture and religion and so much pressure on his shoulders to be a particular male role from a very young age.

And clearly gay. The homophobia in this trans ideology is staring us all in the face and yet the BBC reports this as a story of bravely coming out as their true self. Brave, yes. It must have been so hard to leave that life and all that this person had known. But they are still living a lie with the BBC endorsing the whole thing.

NeorotrashWarrior - I found it interesting as I am Jewish and know some ultra-orthodox Jews. I was curious to me as actually it is way more fun being male than female in that culture - men get to do all the fun dancing, singing, serious study. It genuinely is a lot of fun - if I was male, I could imagine being attracted to it as a lifestyle.

I guess feeling excluded from what all his older sisters were doing would play a part in his case. And yes, being gay.

But it's probably the first case I've read where I actually felt that living as a transwoman was helping this person.