Parents force council to suspend transgender advice (Times article)

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Warwickshire council suspending "Trans toolkit" guidance:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/52809460-8657-11ea-b876-ef9d21d57c48?shareToken=6ba92097e2979fe015f12b4c1da6f12c

Hurrah! One down...

Thanks for posting. That article states EHRC guidance is overdue by 2 years. I'm shocked that they've stepped back and allowed a vacuum to develop that was filled by advocate groups.

Love it.

EHRC had some draft guidance - written by trans groups with no reference to sex based rights. But these were leaked and various foi to ask what women and girls groups were consulted and how their sex based rights were considered (all rejected with pathetic excuses) seemed to have given them pause.

It leads to more light being thrown onto that whole ‘transphobic’ test too!!!! It really doesn’t stand up to the light.

Maybe Liz Truss’ announcement really had given the councils pause. Maybe the NHS will start getting massive complaints and need to pause there too? I am ever the optimist...

When the answer becomes that a public servant team and organisation have been politically captured and therefore can no longer do their job, it's time to close that organisation. They can't respond to FOI requests: they are whole heartedly anti-women and anti-sex based rights, they just can't say so without making it wholly apparent they've abandoned impartiality, abandoned serving the general public as a whole, abandoned serving the interests of any other minority group, and abandoned all national and government policies to be the voice and stealth law-changing unit for a highly niche, extremist political lobby.

A lot of these teams are going to have to be scrapped and something new put in place from the ground up with all newly hired staff and all policies written from scratch, due to their allowing this to happen. It's an appalling failure of government that this has been able to happen at all without being noticed and nipped in the bud.

Abuse of power and position, and intentional insertion of unmandated, anti democratic law, and intentional avoidance of impact testing and other due process to prevent it interfering with personal political agendas should have gone in there too.

They're hedging their bets and watching the Oxfordshire hearing, aren't they?

Does this just possibly suggest something about the amount of consideration they gave to the legal rights and protections of females before implementing the dratted toolkit?

Maybe the NHS will start getting massive complaints and need to pause there too? I am ever the optimist...

Everywhere needs to get complaints. I'm hesitant to use up time that's needed to counter COVID so would want to get some better informed views on when to approach NHS places, but letters to stores, MPs, councils, the lot.

Little bit of momentum building; let's provide some more push.

The top dogs at Stonewall must be feeling slightly nervous now....this will not end well for them. As for Mermaids-they won't last this scandal either.

For this to be found legal, it will have to be stated in law in the UK in 2020 the rights and feelings and the treatment of female children is subordinate and inferior to the rights and feelings and treatment of male children.

They're going to have to put it down in black and white. This isn't a trans issue because the impact upon females is wholly disproportionate to any impact on males. This is where the general public see clearly that this is in fact political male supremacism.

(And the political trans lobby won't see anything wrong with the above, it is fact absolutely what they believe in. They're going to court to resist even the idea of females being even considered, never mind treated equally.)

They're hedging their bets and watching the Oxfordshire hearing, aren't they?

If EHRC were doing their job properly they would have been the ones taking Oxfordshire to court for breaching the sex based rights of girls.

Such a good point Michelleoftheresistance .
Do you know, do the Oxfordshire guidelines also recommend that schools can transition children without parental knowledge and consent? If so, I hope that that will be a key feature of the court case as it's the classic example of overreach. Only the courts can remove parental rights / responsibilities yet trans groups are over eager to tell every organisation that this is possible.

if EHRC were doing their job properly they would have been the ones taking Oxfordshire to court for breaching the sex based rights of girls.

Quite.

It's good that this particular Times article makes it clear, by its use of quotes, that it is the presence of males in female spaces which is being objected to, not "trans people".

Excellent posts Michelle and everyone this stuff makes me hopeful.
Regulatory capture is what is stopping the reversing of existing encroachments by men’s sexual rights activists and making new gains for safeguarding women and children.

These are so many public sector organisations that have outsourced their policies (and basic political thinking) to external groups who lobby them. These public sector organisations will do an awful lot of compromising to avoid negative perception of them. That has been terrible for women’s rights as we moved into a social media age, which the austerity-starved public sector has no resource or nowse or political confidence to keep up with, let alone successfully resist politically-driven boundary-pushing.

And post COVID those resource pressures on public sector organisations will get worse.

That’s why I see Parliament (and the various legal cases currently being brought) as the political and legal way to ultimately sort this out if it can be done, from the centre. rather than tackling each individual organisation’s policies at a time, which feels like the painting the Forth Bridge. Not that it isn’t a great boost every time an individual organisation sticks up for women and children. Sorry if that sounds critical or negative, I just find the ubiquitousness of regulatory capture daunting since I started to really notice it.

Agreed ChattyLion The extent of regulatory capture has been terrifying. Hopefully if the Oxfordshire case is found in favour of child safeguarding etc then the Crown Prosecution Service's toxic trans guidelines for schools will need to be withdrawn as they are breathtakingly anti child safeguarding and completely inappropriate for schools.

Truth Truth and it will hopefully prompt a lot of further sunlight and fresh air and policy reversal on related points.

Oh Warwickshire you arent doing too well are you. This is the second d time you have had to remove stuff.

Maybe next time stop relying on the public to do your job for you and look onto stuff before you endorse/link to/publish etc

You are paid for that. We arent.

It has formally suspended the advice for 300 schools and placed it under review after parents complained that the document breached safeguarding duties and equality law. It was issued in January 2018 and withdrawn last summer.

The article says that the guidance was withdrawn last summer, so why is it only in the news today? Is there a distinction between being 'withdrawn' and 'suspended'?

Of course, Warwickshire are the council that have been 'educating' and celebrating extreme porn with 13 years old aren't they? So many levels of regulatory capture by undesirable influences.

That's not THE Dominic Cummings in the comments section is it?

Maybe next time stop relying on the public to do your job for you and look onto stuff before you endorse/link to/publish etc

I suspect rather than a 'whoops, we cocked up there' response, this is more a 'oh damnit they saw it and now the press are all excited and telling everyone. Ok, we'll put it aside for a bit and sneak it in later when they've forgotten' response.

I've seen too much of this kind of thing. These people believe they know best, it reminds me of the meeting where I was once told that the Baby P case 'escaping into the press' was a disaster and failure for the local authority, this sort of thing happens all the time and you don't let it escape because then people kick off and you end up under unwanted and public pressure to be accountable and do stuff differently.

Agree, press and publicity is far more important to council’s than, say, the law.